I used to work at a place that made cleaners and degreasers and Morton-Thiokol was one of our customers. Small world.
...or maybe it was all part of the big conspiracy!
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No such thing as a USFG conspiracy--Lil P.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIcicles would not have mattered if the equipment was designed to operate in such conditions. I was involved in test-firing a STANDARD Missile rocket motor (which used the exact same O-ring material) in similar conditions, and it failed in the same way.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostI am the first to use "conspiracy" in this thread. Hence I have the authority to decide what the definition is. I believe this is a good one: A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime [I prefer the phrase evil act] at some time in the future. Note, nothing about secrecy or being out in the open. For example, a Presidential candidate proposes to jack up the income tax bracket on the rich from 50% to 99%. People vote for him. Whether he wins or not, that's a conspiracy if the tax rate at such a lofty level is evil.
Incidentally, Sparko and others should have asked me to specify what I mean by conspiracy first.
To be sure, for a conspiracy to succeed, in most cases, secrecy/deception/brain washing is necessary. An example is calling the Indian concentration camps "reservations."
I hope to respond to some of the posts here before today runs out.
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Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostWhen I worked at Morton-Thiokol and saw Shuttle Challenger explode, there were conspiracy and cover-up theories regarding flawed o-ring design, and also a forced launch in abnormally cold conditions that would knowingly affect o-ring performance, for reasons of having the teacher in space so President Reagan boast about it in the State of the Union Address later that day. I don't know if the latter is true, but none of us could believe they were launching with icicles hanging off of everything; the whole thing was pretty suspicious.
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I am the first to use "conspiracy" in this thread. Hence I have the authority to decide what the definition is. I believe this is a good one: A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime [I prefer the phrase evil act] at some time in the future. Note, nothing about secrecy or being out in the open. For example, a Presidential candidate proposes to jack up the income tax bracket on the rich from 50% to 99%. People vote for him. Whether he wins or not, that's a conspiracy if the tax rate at such a lofty level is evil.
Incidentally, Sparko and others should have asked me to specify what I mean by conspiracy first.
To be sure, for a conspiracy to succeed, in most cases, secrecy/deception/brain washing is necessary. An example is calling the Indian concentration camps "reservations."
I hope to respond to some of the posts here before today runs out.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostI'm a good conspiracy theorist? Well, anyway, I believe the USFG is rather evil and very bad for the world, yet people generally seem to think otherwise or not care. I try to change that attitude to loathing the USFG.
I think I discussed a book that went into the Mossad role in the JFK killing (in the thread before the crash) with a great many citations of sources of alleged facts. I am not able to verify 99% of those facts, but I do think that is a possibility. The Israeli were rather uneasy with JFK and angry he didn't let them have certain things. I do not want to tackle 9/11 now.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThis being a call-out thread, it's headed for the padded room soon enough.
Remember, Pix, that it's not official until it hits three full pages. Good luck!
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEvery good conspiracy theorist has an axe to grind. What's yours?
I know a guy who's convinced that Mossad took down the towers on 9/11, and even assassinated JFK. He doesn't like Jews much.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThere have been conspiracies, by definition (i.e. Watergate was a criminal conspiracy). But very few of the outlandish ones have ever turned out to be true. Sooner or later, people talk. With, say, 9/11, with the sheer number of people it would have taken to pull it off, you would have thought somebody would have said something by now.
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When I worked at Morton-Thiokol and saw Shuttle Challenger explode, there were conspiracy and cover-up theories regarding flawed o-ring design, and also a forced launch in abnormally cold conditions that would knowingly affect o-ring performance, for reasons of having the teacher in space so President Reagan boast about it in the State of the Union Address later that day. I don't know if the latter is true, but none of us could believe they were launching with icicles hanging off of everything; the whole thing was pretty suspicious.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostOften Lil Pixie claims that I am a conspiracy theorist, as if she thinks my thinking is without due regard for any available fact, as if I invariably speculate fact-free.
Would she deny what I believe to be a fact is that the USFG from around 1864 to 1890 pushed a policy of genocide against the Amerindians? That the "reservations" are in fact concentration camps similar to the Nazi ones? Were she living in 1886, working for the US Army, and knowing what it was doing to the Amerindians, would she continue to do her job for years?
Sherman said, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." Lil apparently would have us believe that the USFG never has committed acts of conspiracy in its entire existence. Therefore Sherman committed all those genocide acts against the Amerindians all by his lonesome self. Not even President U.S. Grant was involved. Sherman did all of those things without Grant's knowledge. (Boy we sure had many presidents who didn't know what was going on. Remember Reagan's "plausible denial" policy in the Iran-contra scandal?)
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThere have been conspiracies, by definition (i.e. Watergate was a criminal conspiracy). But very few of the outlandish ones have ever turned out to be true. Sooner or later, people talk. With, say, 9/11, with the sheer number of people it would have taken to pull it off, you would have thought somebody would have said something by now.
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Every good conspiracy theorist has an axe to grind. What's yours?
I know a guy who's convinced that Mossad took down the towers on 9/11, and even assassinated JFK. He doesn't like Jews much.
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