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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Exactly. They completely ingore the question of whether or not the arrests and citations are justified.
    Yes, if more crimes are committed by blacks per capita (as I have proven multiple times from the FBI UCR website), then the police are NOT doing their jobs if they do NOT arrest or stop more blacks than whites.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    No, I'm speaking generally. And yes blacks do commit more crimes. Do you see drive by shootings in white neighborhoods?

    For instance :Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, whites commit 69.2% of the crimes, and blacks 28.4%. Whites are 72.4% of the population and blacks 12.6%. So percentage wise blacks commit more murders and manslaughter.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-43
    You know better than to bring facts to this debate. This is Eric Holder's legacy we're talking about. After failing to make anything of his trumped-up investigation against Officer Darren Wilson, he owed the people of Ferguson, so did any of us really expect his report to reach any other conclusion? It's hard to make a case against an innocent individual. Much easier to manipulate the data to condemn an entire police force.

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  • fm93
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And if you weren't such a dull witted moron, maybe you would have realized that not a single credible witness supported the "Hands up, don't shoot" narrative.
    Except that you didn't provide anything saying "not a single credible witness" supported the narrative. You just said that some of the witnesses who were found to be credible contradicted the narrative. That doesn't mean that literally zero witnesses who thought he might've been surrendering were found to be credible. And even if that was the case, the point was that some of those witnesses were probably genuinely mistaken, not that literally all of them conspired to lie.
    Last edited by fm93; 03-06-2015, 04:18 PM.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by square_peg View Post
    Uh...no. That's why, in the post that you yourself quoted, I cite the report that black people do not, in fact, commit more crimes percentage-wise.
    No, I'm speaking generally. And yes blacks do commit more crimes. Do you see drive by shootings in white neighborhoods?

    For instance :Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, whites commit 69.2% of the crimes, and blacks 28.4%. Whites are 72.4% of the population and blacks 12.6%. So percentage wise blacks commit more murders and manslaughter.


    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-43

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  • fm93
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    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    Right, I forgot how easy it is for you to go into a seizure.
    These policemen heavily insult and mock the intelligence, moral character and human worth of the very community whom they're supposed to serve and protect. You don't find anything problematic about that?

    It's not elsewhere, it's in the part you quoted and it has nothing to do with what I said was missing (namely, crime rates, and no, rate of found contraband is not the same thing).
    Oh, right. But then it appears that you missed this line directly before that:
    African Americans are more than twice as likely as white drivers to be searched during vehicle stops even after controlling for non-race based variables such as the reason the vehicle stop was initiated


    And I'm not sure what you mean by the latter part. Isn't possessing contraband a crime? If more black people are checked for contraband but are found to have it at a lower percentage, that implies that black people are less likely to commit that crime. Unless it's merely a few black people being checked over and over again, but that's rather implausible.

    Not really. Why should it? In and of itself it doesn't mean anything.
    Are you confident that that sort of treatment is administered at similar rates to non-black people?

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by square_pinhead View Post
    When police arrest someone whom they have no reason to arrest and he turns out to be innocent, and when police use ECWs on someone who didn't act aggressively (both from the Ferguson report that I cited), it should be clear that such arrests and citations were not justified.
    No doubt isolated instances cherrypicked from the data.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by square_pinhead View Post
    If only you were dedicated to actually reading posts instead of finding lame puns to make on people's names. You then might've noticed that I said "some witnesses" rather than "literally every single witness."
    And if you weren't such a dull witted moron, maybe you would have realized that not a single credible witness supported the "Hands up, don't shoot" narrative.

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by square_peg View Post
    Uh...no. That's why, in the post that you yourself quoted, I cite the report that black people do not, in fact, commit more crimes percentage-wise.
    The report says no such thing. And you can easily get crime statistics yourself from the FBI.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-43

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  • fm93
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Exactly. They completely ingore the question of whether or not the arrests and citations are justified.
    When police arrest someone whom they have no reason to arrest and he turns out to be innocent, and when police use ECWs on someone who didn't act aggressively (both from the Ferguson report that I cited), it should be clear that such arrests and citations were not justified.

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  • Zymologist
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    Originally posted by square_peg View Post
    The Ferguson report that I linked to specifically cites actual examples.
    I hadn't even read that--my post was just a response to MM's comment about somebody referring to the Brown and Martin cases as police racism.

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  • fm93
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Square, you do agree that percentage wise African Americans are more likely to commit crimes than whites.
    Uh...no. That's why, in the post that you yourself quoted, I cite the report that black people do not, in fact, commit more crimes percentage-wise.


    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    If people want to talk about police racism, they really really ought to cite actual examples of police racism.
    The Ferguson report that I linked to specifically cites actual examples.


    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Wrong. They didn't "incorrectly remember", they were afraid to contradict the narrative.

    Source: Breitbart

    According to an 86-page report issued by the Department of Justice, six of the most credible witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown were afraid to give testimony in support of Ferguson, MO, police officer Darren Wilson, because they knew it would undercut the “Hands up, don’t shoot” narrative being advanced by their neighbors and, eventually, by the media.

    Several expressed concern for their safety should they choose to contradict that narrative publicly. As one witness noted, there were signs in the neighborhood reading “snitches get stitches.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journal...oot-narrative/

    © Copyright Original Source

    If only you were dedicated to actually reading posts instead of finding lame puns to make on people's names. You then might've noticed that I said "some witnesses" rather than "literally every single witness."

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  • Mountain Man
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    I found it both sad and frustrating that a man with his career could be so ignorant and uninformed.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Yesterday, I heard from a prominant former black congressman (he was one of the founding members of the Congressional Black [Democrats] Caucus) who cited the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin cases as an example of racially biased police brutality. He also claimed that the distrust that exists between black communities and their respective police departments is entirely the fault of the police, and that it's up to the police to repair those relations.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    This data is meaningless because it omits the massive disparity in black and white crime rates. The reason why African Americans are targeted a lot more often is because they commit crimes a lot more often. Just about every time these misleading statistics are brought up it usually turns out that the cops actually go easier on blacks than they would on whites if crime rates were similar.
    Exactly. They completely ingore the question of whether or not the arrests and citations are justified.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by square_pinhead View Post
    Not really. Wilson did acknowledge that Brown held his hands up at some point early in the confrontation, so it's understandable that in the heat of the moment, some witnesses incorrectly remembered it as hands held in surrender rather than whatever it was for. So it's not "ALL bs." You act as if the citizenry all conspired to create a movement out of whole cloth, when the truth, as is often the case, is more complex and messy than that. Sometimes people can be genuinely mistaken. People on both sides.
    Wrong. They didn't "incorrectly remember", they were afraid to contradict the narrative.

    Source: Breitbart

    According to an 86-page report issued by the Department of Justice, six of the most credible witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown were afraid to give testimony in support of Ferguson, MO, police officer Darren Wilson, because they knew it would undercut the “Hands up, don’t shoot” narrative being advanced by their neighbors and, eventually, by the media.

    Several expressed concern for their safety should they choose to contradict that narrative publicly. As one witness noted, there were signs in the neighborhood reading “snitches get stitches.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journal...oot-narrative/

    © Copyright Original Source

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