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  • #16
    Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
    Liberals, for the most part, want their news straight up and without the ranting, which works against personality journalism. Wassername, hmm ... Amy Goodman ... of Democracy Now would be one of the few exceptions, but it's hard to attract advertisers when you're anti-corporate, and the further to the left, the more anti-corporate they are.

    I see some folks mentioning Colmes. :banghead: He was hired as a punching bag for Hannity, deliberate chosen as someone Hannity could beat up. He was, quite literally, a comedian before they brought him in on FOX. Nobody on the left respects him, either.
    Poor Colmes. That dude can't seem to catch a break with anyone.
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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    • #17
      In one of Al Franken's books, he would write Alan Colmes' name in a tiny font to emphasize the punching back aspect.

      I called into his show once back ~11-12 years ago and got on the air. I have no recollection of what I said.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #18
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        In one of Al Franken's books, he would write Alan Colmes' name in a tiny font to emphasize the punching back aspect.

        I called into his show once back ~11-12 years ago and got on the air. I have no recollection of what I said.
        Dang. Now I kinda feel bad for him. You got on? I have never been so lucky to get on the air anywhere. That is pretty cool.
        "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          Yep. I remember when Al Franken tried to launch a liberal radio network. There just wasn't a demand for it.
          Air America. It wasn't just low ratings but horrible business practices. FWIU they would refuse offers from radio stations to carry them if the ownership failed to meet certain liberal litmus tests.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Air America. It wasn't just low ratings but horrible business practices. FWIU they would refuse offers from radio stations to carry them if the ownership failed to meet certain liberal litmus tests.
            Yeah. They took a loan illegally from the Boys and Girls Club. That they could never pay back.
            "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              And I'm interested in hearing perspectives - why that is. I have some thoughts, but gonna hold off for a while.
              I listened to Air America. I actually found Franken to be the most listenable to of the bunch. For the rest, you could just feel the anger coming through the air waves. I mean you can accuse Rush of many things but I've never heard him angry like the Air America hosts were on a daily basis.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Who are they? I mean, everybody knows there's a bunch of "conservative" talk show hosts and commentators, but who are the liberals who bring in the ratings like Rush or - don't know if he's even around anymore - Glen Beck or Hannity?
                I guess Jon Stewart (Daily Show), John Oliver (Last Week Tonight), Bill Maher (Real Time), Rachel Maddow (Rachel Maddow Show), Chris Hayes (All In) etc for TV. Not much for radio (unless you count NPR?). The Young Turks for the internet.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
                  Liberals, for the most part, want their news straight up and without the ranting, which works against personality journalism. Wassername, hmm ... Amy Goodman ... of Democracy Now would be one of the few exceptions, but it's hard to attract advertisers when you're anti-corporate, and the further to the left, the more anti-corporate they are.

                  I see some folks mentioning Colmes. :banghead: He was hired as a punching bag for Hannity, deliberate chosen as someone Hannity could beat up. He was, quite literally, a comedian before they brought him in on FOX. Nobody on the left respects him, either.
                  Liberals, for the most part, aren't used to having everything challenged when they say it. They're used to reciting their talking points and having reporters nod and accept it. So when they went to talk radio they, for the most part, were fully unprepared to repeatedly have to defend their position which the callers would make them do and this causes few listeners to bother tuning them in.

                  As for Colmes being a comedian. Two words. Al Franken. No, now make that three words. Senator Al Franken. Although that's in many ways funnier than he ever was as a comedian.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Liberals, for the most part, aren't used to having everything challenged when they say it. They're used to reciting their talking points and having reporters nod and accept it. So when they went to talk radio they, for the most part, were fully unprepared to repeatedly have to defend their position which the callers would make them do and this causes few listeners to bother tuning them in.
                    Good points. You came up with this yourself?
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      One thing I've noticed in my many years of listening to right-wing talk shows is that they are, almost invariably, centered around advertising — often for products and services one would normally consider unnecessary or outright junk. Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck all have structured their segments in something like Morse code ... a long bit, followed by two or three short bits (often a back-from-commercial -> Single paragraph -> back-to-commercial spot) with lots of advertising in between. And that's because consumers of right-wing media tend to be older and tend to be more susceptible to this type of advertising (and scams but that's probably too far down the rabbit hole).

                      I listen to left-wing talk shows far less frequently, as I find them mostly on the same level as right-wing talk radio and more unnecessary in understanding daily politics. But left-wing shows, to my knowledge, are far less interrupted with advertising, most likely as a function of liberalism skewing younger and young people being less susceptible to that sort of advertising. The quality range is probably the same (Ed Schultz is as unbearable as Rush, Slate podcasts are about as reasonable as Jason Lewis) but the audience is far less monolithic and younger, and less willing to buy the advertised products.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sam View Post
                        One thing I've noticed in my many years of listening to right-wing talk shows is that they are, almost invariably, centered around advertising — often for products and services one would normally consider unnecessary or outright junk. Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck all have structured their segments in something like Morse code ... a long bit, followed by two or three short bits (often a back-from-commercial -> Single paragraph -> back-to-commercial spot) with lots of advertising in between. And that's because consumers of right-wing media tend to be older and tend to be more susceptible to this type of advertising (and scams but that's probably too far down the rabbit hole).

                        I listen to left-wing talk shows far less frequently, as I find them mostly on the same level as right-wing talk radio and more unnecessary in understanding daily politics. But left-wing shows, to my knowledge, are far less interrupted with advertising, most likely as a function of liberalism skewing younger and young people being less susceptible to that sort of advertising. The quality range is probably the same (Ed Schultz is as unbearable as Rush, Slate podcasts are about as reasonable as Jason Lewis) but the audience is far less monolithic and younger, and less willing to buy the advertised products.
                        The endless stream of advertisements on music radio stations would suggest otherwise.

                        You do bring up an important point though. Conservatives view most things as business, including ideological propaganda, whereas liberals view it as a holy crusade. That means conservatives who make money will be promoted whereas liberals will promote whoever tickles their ears with no regard to whether anybody else wants to listen to them (including other liberals). It's why Jon Stewart, with Teen Wolf level ratings is so famous despite the fairly small audience of people who actually watch his show.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sam View Post
                          That's the trouble with current US campaign financing laws... nobody has a good idea where the money is coming from or where it is going to. Hillary Clinton could set up a "support Jeb Bush" PAC and get lots of money from conservative donors which in reality went to Hillary and not Jeb. Or China or North Korea could decide "we like candidate X" and set up a US-looking PAC and funnel money into it and affect US election outcomes. Scam PACs being able to hide who's giving them money and where that money is going is just asking for a disaster. The Democrats tried to fix the situation but the Republicans voted unanimously against it... apparently they like their scam PACs and they like foreign money able to influence US elections?!?

                          But left-wing shows, to my knowledge, are far less interrupted with advertising, most likely as a function of liberalism skewing younger and young people being less susceptible to that sort of advertising.
                          As the resident younger liberal left-wing show watcher here, I would point out that I use ad-blocking in my internet browser and all TV I watch comes over the internet with ads pre-removed, so I see/hear literally zero ads ever in any content I consume. Over the last few years I've gotten so used to never seeing/hearing ads that now when I do see/hear them (eg if a friend is listening to radio and an ad comes on) it is a serious novelty for me. (But I consequently have no clue how much advertising is present in the original version of left-wing shows)
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                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            As the resident younger liberal left-wing show watcher here, I would point out that I use ad-blocking in my internet browser and all TV I watch comes over the internet with ads pre-removed, so I see/hear literally zero ads ever in any content I consume. Over the last few years I've gotten so used to never seeing/hearing ads that now when I do see/hear them (eg if a friend is listening to radio and an ad comes on) it is a serious novelty for me. (But I consequently have no clue how much advertising is present in the original version of left-wing shows)
                            Cartoons without commercials! Cool!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              As the resident younger liberal left-wing show watcher here, I would point out that I use ad-blocking in my internet browser and all TV I watch comes over the internet with ads pre-removed, so I see/hear literally zero ads ever in any content I consume. Over the last few years I've gotten so used to never seeing/hearing ads that now when I do see/hear them (eg if a friend is listening to radio and an ad comes on) it is a serious novelty for me. (But I consequently have no clue how much advertising is present in the original version of left-wing shows)
                              You dirty thief/pirate/hooligan.
                              "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                That's the trouble with current US campaign financing laws... nobody has a good idea where the money is coming from or where it is going to. Hillary Clinton could set up a "support Jeb Bush" PAC and get lots of money from conservative donors which in reality went to Hillary and not Jeb. Or China or North Korea could decide "we like candidate X" and set up a US-looking PAC and funnel money into it and affect US election outcomes. Scam PACs being able to hide who's giving them money and where that money is going is just asking for a disaster. The Democrats tried to fix the situation but the Republicans voted unanimously against it... apparently they like their scam PACs and they like foreign money able to influence US elections?!?
                                If I were in charge of the Chinese government, I'd funnel all the money to Democrats that I could.
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