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  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Normal is WAY overrated.
    Lol. I use that often. No one buys it from me.
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      If you're younger than 30 and aren't a liberal, you don't have a heart - if you're older than 30 and aren't a conservative, you don't have a brain.

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      • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
        See that Cow Poke? You already hurt someone's feelings. Shame on you. Get in here and make it right.
        "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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        • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
          Does not apply to brainiacs!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I guess in a similar way to how reading a detailed account of the Holocaust might make your blood boil, or watching 12 Years a Slave might get you angry about the institution of slavery.
            It's amazing how easily manipulated you are.
            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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            • Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
              It's amazing how easily manipulated you are.
              I find it only a mild exaggeration that it's all about the feels for most liberals.

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              • Originally posted by Joel View Post
                No one wants to "take away healthcare." That's ridiculous.
                It's a ridiculous position. One I really wish no one held.

                Unfortunately, in practice, the Republicans have voted literally over 50 times to repeal Obamacare, Republican governors have by and large refused to accept the free expansion of medicaid, and a right-wing think tank currently has a case before the Supreme Court to try and invalidate a key provision of Obamacare which would have the immediate effect of stripping health insurance from about 10 million people should they be successful.

                You do know that it was the Republican Party that abolished slavery and the Democratic Party that defended slavery, right?
                Originally the KKK directed violence against black and white Republicans. It was the Democrats who were segregationist following the Civil War, and passed the Jim Crow laws, and suppressed black voters.
                Woodrow Wilson (Democrat, hero of the Progressive Era, who brought us the Income Tax and the Federal Reserve, and got the U.S. unnecessarily involved in the first World War) introduced segregation in federal offices.

                Um, you do know that the parties switched right?
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  It's a ridiculous position. One I really wish no one held.

                  Unfortunately, in practice, the Republicans have voted literally over 50 times to repeal Obamacare, Republican governors have by and large refused to accept the free expansion of medicaid, and a right-wing think tank currently has a case before the Supreme Court to try and invalidate a key provision of Obamacare which would have the immediate effect of stripping health insurance from about 10 million people should they be successful.
                  - Obamacare does not equal "health care".
                  - "Health insurance" does not equal "health care".
                  - Ending a subsidy for a thing does not equal taking away the thing. (Like when you move out of your parents house and they stop paying for all your food, that doesn't mean they are taking any food from you.)


                  Um, you do know that the parties switched right?
                  I know what you are trying to say, but the Democratic Party (and before that the Democratic-Republican Party) has always been considered left/liberal, while the Republican Party (and before that the American Whig Party) was always considered right/conservative. Your claim that the Right brought us Jim Crow laws etc., is mistaken.

                  As for swapping big/small government policies, I gave Woodrow Wilson as a counter-example (example of a Progressive/big-government hero, working to expand segregation.)

                  Also from your article:

                  "From a business perspective, Rauchway pointed out, the loyalties of the parties did not really switch. "Although the rhetoric and to a degree the policies of the parties do switch places," he wrote, "their core supporters don't which is to say, the Republicans remain, throughout, the party of bigger businesses; it's just that in the earlier era bigger businesses want bigger government and in the later era they don't.""

                  Although I would argue that big business still to this day is in favor of big government.

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                  • I've always found OpenSecrets to be a good resource in following where the money goes. For instance, this shows that during the 2012 presidential campaign, those from the business sector only gave $2.5K during that time. Where as Hollywood gave a whopping $365.3K. That is some serious moolah.
                    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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                    • Originally posted by Jesse View Post
                      I've always found OpenSecrets to be a good resource in following where the money goes. For instance, this shows that during the 2012 presidential campaign, those from the business sector only gave $2.5K during that time. Where as Hollywood gave a whopping $365.3K. That is some serious moolah.

                      ~cough~
                      You've essentially got the wrong link, and $365K is chump change in terms of US political donations... the standard unit of donations is $ M.

                      The industries that donated to Republicans more than Democrats (at a > 2:1 rate) were:
                      Securities & Investment, Real Estate, Misc Finance, Hedge Funds & Private Equity, Oil & Gas, Insurance, Commercial Banks (totaling ~$79 Million from these donors).

                      Those that donated to Democrats more than Republicans (at a > 2:1 rate) were:
                      Education, Civil Servants/Public Officials, TV/Movies/Music (totaling ~$37 Million from these donors).

                      Other industries donated similar amounts to both parties according to that website page. Although the numbers on that page are still far too low, because Super PACs and various other donor networks aren't being included in those figures.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                        ~cough~
                        You've essentially got the wrong link, and $365K is chump change in terms of US political donations... the standard unit of donations is $ M.

                        The industries that donated to Republicans more than Democrats (at a > 2:1 rate) were:
                        Securities & Investment, Real Estate, Misc Finance, Hedge Funds & Private Equity, Oil & Gas, Insurance, Commercial Banks (totaling ~$79 Million from these donors).

                        Those that donated to Democrats more than Republicans (at a > 2:1 rate) were:
                        Education, Civil Servants/Public Officials, TV/Movies/Music (totaling ~$37 Million from these donors).

                        Other industries donated similar amounts to both parties according to that website page. Although the numbers on that page are still far too low, because Super PACs and various other donor networks aren't being included in those figures.
                        Actually, I didn't get the wrong link. Your link and mine are two separate ones. If you look, my link is under celebrity contributions. I am not sure what your problem with my link is.
                        "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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                        • It's a bit interesting to me, that the link I supplied doesn't show contributions for those with radio talk shows under celebrities. That might be in a different place on the site.
                          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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