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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, I just quoted Psychology Today. There are in fact aspects to religion that can not be duplicated by atheism, that are conducive to well being.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI think the phrase "subjective morality" is redundant. All morality is necessarily subjective.
Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostSo an intelligent non-human animal cannot have a relationship with God? What's stopping them?
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostIt doesn't really matter if you think all morality is subjective or not. If God exists then His morality will necessarily be enforced in the end, whether or not you believe it to be just as subjective as any other form of morality.
Find me an intelligent non-human animal endowed with self-consciousness and I'll start worrying about this question.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostOkay? I mean, you asked the question.
My point is simply that in a world where all morality is subjective the only relevant forms of morality are the ones whose adherents are able to enforce them. In the Christian worldview, since God is the supreme ruler of the universe, the only view on good and evil which will win out in the end would in this case be His, since He would be able to enforce it to the exclusion of all other moralities.
Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostDoes Koko the gorilla count?
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostMy point is simply that in a world where all morality is subjective the only relevant forms of morality are the ones whose adherents are able to enforce them. In the Christian worldview, since God is the supreme ruler of the universe, the only view on good and evil which will win out in the end would in this case be His, since He would be able to enforce it to the exclusion of all other moralities.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI don't understand how you go from "will be enforced" to "relevant". I think the only relevant form of morality is that of the observer/individual.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThats true, there is that one thing, the aspect of eternal life is not expected by non believers. Since we all, the religious and non religious alike, fear death to a certain extent, the promise of eternal life could prove conducive to the well being of "some people," which is probably one of the reasons for its being adopted as a belief in the first place. But, you shouldn't generalize, different people have different needs, and there are many non religious people whose well being is perfectly fine without that belief.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostRelevant in this context simply means that it will be the only morality that will have more than a non-trivial consequence for the persons living in the universe. A human might insist that his morality is just as valid as God, but his insistence upon this "fact" will not matter one bit if God because of His omnipotence is able to enforce His own morality upon the human in question.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd it is not just eternal life Jim, it is the idea of being loved by God, that life has an overriding purpose. And that we can be in community with God.
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