There is always a conflict between believers and society. The question is the degree of conflict. When the two conflict seriously enough, generally one wins over the other. How do you make that choice - remember this is a major disagreement and for the purposes of this poll, please consider atheism as a belief system.
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13A believer first, a member of my society second92.31%12I will favor the believer position0.00%0I don't believe such a conflict exists7.69%1I will favor the societal position0.00%0I'm a member of society first, a believer second0.00%0The poll is expired.
"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Faith, to me, always trumps society.
Whether that is the atheist view, I don't know.
I can't make any decisions without taking into account what I believe.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostThere is always a conflict between believers and society. The question is the degree of conflict. When the two conflict seriously enough, generally one wins over the other. How do you make that choice - remember this is a major disagreement and for the purposes of this poll, please consider atheism as a belief system.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostWhat do you mean, "one wins over the other"? Did the Jews who stoned Stephen (Acts) win because he then went to be with his Father?"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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I am the lone no conflict vote. I misunderstood the choices. I was thinking that society norm = putting myself first. That today's society is an overtly selfish one. After realizing the true nature of the choices, I would choose to place what I believe ahead of society's position.
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Originally posted by Jude View PostI am the lone no conflict vote. I misunderstood the choices. I was thinking that society norm = putting myself first. That today's society is an overtly selfish one. After realizing the true nature of the choices, I would choose to place what I believe ahead of society's position.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostNo, I meant within yourself. Do you desire to conform to your belief system or conform to society's position?The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostAh, I see. But the world does not have a single position (possibly, though, you meant "society's position" very general)."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThere's a difference between faith and society? I don't see it. If you belong to a faith group like a church, that is your society. I find the idea that society is a homogenous group rather than a category comprising many different societies silly."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostFor me society is the larger environment that I live in. I am viewing government as a reflection of the people it governs and since my faith group doesn't control the government, we have to live under a government that has values that conflict with my faith groups values. Hence the potential for conflict.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI don't see why you consider the government a reflection of the people.
What do you mean by "my faith group"? Most politicians in the US are Christians, so Christians can be said to control the government.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostI tend to agree that government is a poor reflection at best. Was Hitler's rule a good reflection of the German people? (If you feel like pulling a Godwin on that, phooey to you.)
Well, pseudo Christians for the most part. I think institutions of power, especially the USFG, attract sociopaths as honey attracts ants.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostRight. No matter who's in power, there's bound to be a decently-sized group in opposition. If you want to call Christian politicians pseudo, I think a definition of a true Christian is in order.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostOne group I have in mind include people who feign being Christians for political purposes. Possibly the Bushes, e.g. (GHWB, Dubya, and that Florida fella.)
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