Turns out Obama's "evolution" was as much of a lie as the theory is...

[Jedidiah]

Today I asked a bunch of teenie-tweeny college kids if they'd ever seen Casablanca. I'm chagrined, chagrined, that these kids would have no idea what you're on about, piglet.

That seems hard to believe, one of the best movies of this era. The world is in the hand basket now.

[pancreasman]

That seems hard to believe, one of the best movies of this era. The world is in the hand basket now.

AND good music ended with the Beatles! My, my, we're getting old.

[fm93]

Today I asked a bunch of teenie-tweeny college kids if they'd ever seen Casablanca. I'm chagrined, chagrined, that these kids would have no idea what you're on about, piglet.

Well. A precedent is being broken. (Had to watch it in an English class back in high school. Assumed every college kid had seen it.)

That seems hard to believe, one of the best movies of this era. The world is in the hand basket now.

You'll always have ("An American In) Paris.

[seer]

I'm shocked, shocked, that Barack Obama would lie for political gain.

Who would have thunk!

[Spartacus]

Those whose contribution to the discussion would no more substantial or constructive than the title of the thread or who have ever started a civics thread with a title that even approaches this one in sheer sensationalism are asked not to post here. You know exactly who you are.

Who would have thunk!

Apparently I wasn't sufficiently clear. Please don't post in this thread again.

[rogue06]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...rriage/385333/



Obama concealed his position on same-sex marriage in order to pursue his political ambitions. The fact that the country seems to have moved in a direction that makes the revelation of this lie politically inconsequential is interesting but not quite what I'd like to explore. I'd rather hear from those who voted for Obama in 2008. Back in 2008, did you think he was lying? If not, how did you feel about his position then? How did you feel about his "evolution" in the 2012 election when you heard about it? Did you find it credible? How do you feel about this most recent revelation?

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Wait. A politician lied about their position on an issue in order to garner votes? Stop the presses!

Seriously, I don't think anyone is in the least bit surprised.

OTOH, Obama is denying.

Source: Obama: I didn't lie about same-sex marriage

President Barack Obama is pushing back against an explosive claim made in former adviser David Axelrod’s book: that Obama lied about his true feelings on same-sex marriage for political reasons.

“I think David is mixing up my personal feelings with my position on the issue,” Obama said in an interview with BuzzFeed News published Tuesday.

The president said that while he “always felt” that same-sex couples should be afforded the same legal rights as heterosexual couples, he acknowledged that it was “frustrating to me not to, I think, be able to square that with what were a whole bunch of religious sensitivities out there.”

“The old questionnaire … is an example of struggling with what was a real issue at the time, which is, how do you make sure that people’s rights are enjoyed and these religious sensitivities were taken into account?” the president said.



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[rogue06]

Today I asked a bunch of teenie-tweeny college kids if they'd ever seen Casablanca. I'm chagrined, chagrined, that these kids would have no idea what you're on about, piglet.

[Bill the Cat]

Speaking from a liberal perspective, this really should be an unpardonable sin. Standing up for and supporting the cause of an oppressed minority group that has been fighting tooth and nail for decades against right-wing bigots for marriage equality could have put a damper on his political aspirations, so he basically gave these people the middle finger in order to avoid losing the votes of some intolerant homophobes.

C'mon... just one more mention of the Koch Brothers or Bush and I get a bingo!

[Jedidiah]

AND good music ended with the Beatles! My, my, we're getting old.

Older and wiser, young fella.