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CUNY abolishes use of “Mr.,” “Mrs.” and “Ms.”
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostI appreciate CUNY's kindhearted effort to help students who genuinely struggle with gender identity issues by not wanting to possibly distress them while they sort things out during a very difficult time in their lives, but it seems that a better solution would be to simply allow each individual student to give a personal preference.
Ah, what the hell. The solution sounds somewhat silly, but I hardly feel like they should be slammed for what clearly seems like an honest attempt to be helpful.
I wonder what will happen if one of the students declares that they are offended by someone refusing to address them as "Mr.," "Mrs." or "Ms."?
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"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostInstead of "kindhearted effort" I think that a better description would be a ham-handed attempt at enforcing political correctness by enforcing speech codes that stand in stark contrast to the idea of free speech.
I wonder what will happen if one of the students declares that they are offended by someone refusing to address them as "Mr.," "Mrs." or "Ms."?I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostFor example, I once read (rather, skimmed) a blog post by a feminist who argued, quite seriously, that sexual intercourse of any sort was by definition rape, and that consensual sex between a man and a woman was inherently impossible. She was not joking.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostInstead of "kindhearted effort" I think that a better description would be a ham-handed attempt at enforcing political correctness by enforcing speech codes that stand in stark contrast to the idea of free speech.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI wonder what will happen if one of the students declares that they are offended by someone refusing to address them as "Mr.," "Mrs." or "Ms."?Last edited by Carrikature; 02-10-2015, 05:00 PM.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostI don't think free speech was very well thought out, however nice it sounds in theory. It might work if it was put into practice the way it works in theory, but I don't see very many people willing to do that. Too many people still want you to not yell fire or bomb when they find it inconvenient.
With the concerns of the university in the OP, it seems to me that universities don't even bother to try to balance out various concerns, preferring instead to suppress free speech altogether."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI'm Miss Teal, to you, thank you very much.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou forgot the sarcasm tags.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostInstead of "kindhearted effort" I think that a better description would be a ham-handed attempt at enforcing political correctness by enforcing speech codes that stand in stark contrast to the idea of free speech.
I wonder what will happen if one of the students declares that they are offended by someone refusing to address them as "Mr.," "Mrs." or "Ms."?Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostNo sarcasm was intended.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI was afraid of that.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostWould you mind explaining what you apparently find problematic with my belief that they're well-intentioned but simply misguided?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
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Such progress! When will science-denying bigots realize that biological sex is such an outdated, prejudicial, patriarchal, sexist, misogynist concept?
Edit: for some reason, when I got to this story via Google it was not blocked with a subscription, but it is in the link.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostMaybe I'm just feeling mean-spirited today, but there are some things that are so obviously ridiculous IMO that, well-meaning or not, they deserve to be mocked.
For example, I once read (rather, skimmed) a blog post by a feminist who argued, quite seriously, that sexual intercourse of any sort was by definition rape, and that consensual sex between a man and a woman was inherently impossible. She was not joking.
On the other hand, if a skeptic claims to oppose religion and presents a fallacious, easily-refuted argument that's been used by someone like Dawkins but does so in an honest and reasonably civil manner, I don't believe that's deserving of mockery. It might well be that the skeptic genuinely cares about his or her fellow human beings and has been led to believe that religion is legitimately robbing people of truth and freedom and joy and life. If that was actually inherently true about religion, our hypothetical skeptic would technically be doing something commendable. So in cases like these, I believe it's far better to respond kindly and educate, rather than resorting to mockery. That's how I've always seen it, at least.
Besides, even if you disagree with all that, CUNY's reason for implementing this policy appears to be substantially different in content and tone from that stuff you sarcastically posted.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
I don't think free speech was very well thought out, however nice it sounds in theory. It might work if it was put into practice the way it works in theory, but I don't see very many people willing to do that. Too many people still want you to not yell fire or bomb when they find it inconvenient.
But more to the point, to compare shouting fire in a crowded theater with addressing someone by "Mr.," "Mrs." or "Ms." is ludicrous in the extreme -- especially considering that it almost always is used as a sign of respect. In fact the part of the U.S. that I live in it is only considered common courtesy to add such a title to someone's first name when they reach a certain age (like "Mr. John" or "Miss Karen"). Unfortunately in the past year or so I seem to have reached that "certain age" as nearly all the younger employees at where I work generally address me in such a fashion.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI'm Miss Teal, to you, thank you very much.
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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