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Originally posted by square_peg View PostI'm Asian-American. I'm well-acquainted with issues pertaining to fellow members of the Asian-American community. Being asked "No, where are you REALLY from?" after having already given the answer is a common experience among many Asian-Americans. Thus, I reasonably assumed that that's what the document was referring to.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI would simply ask if you were Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese or Korean American. I don't see how that is offensive. Are you ashamed of your ethnicity? I am German-American and if someone asked me where my family came from, I would simply say "Germany on my mom's side, all over from my Dad's"
My mom had an accent and people would always ask her where she was from. She would tell them "Germany" - she was not offended by it. It seems silly to get upset about something like that. People are just curious and don't mean to be offensive by asking.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostWhat I'm hearing is that Christianity does nothing for moral character.
What you have done here is to play a typical liberal dishonest game. You took a legitimate difference of opinion (not one that breaks over religious lines) and used it to make a slur on Christianity. Are you proud of that dishonesty?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHow many blacks are told they have to be basketball players? That is an asinine comment.
And you are not even WHITE!!!! So I guess whiteness doesn't have the exclusive on "privilege" that you claim it does, huh?
I bet you didn't know that there were middle and upper class black families too, did you? And lower class white people?
Really? show me the facts.
According to this: http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
Whites and blacks are equal in percentages of who is on welfare
Let's work out the math. The population has since grown, but for the sake of mathematical simplicity we'll say the overall American population still stands at 300 million. About 78% of this population consists of white people, which means there's a total of 234 million white people, and 13% of 300 million yields a result of 39 million black people. Your chart says elsewhere that 4% of the population is on welfare. That means that there are about 12 million total Americans of all races on welfare. If roughly 39% are white, then there are about 4.7 million white people in America who are on welfare. Since, as I already demonstrated, there are about 234 million white Americans, that means that 2% of all white Americans are on welfare. Meanwhile, if roughly 40% of the 12 million Americans on welfare are black, there are 4.8 million black Americans on welfare, and with a total black American population of 39 million, about 12% of all black Americans are on welfare.
So there are six times as many white Americans as black Americans, but the percentage of those black Americans on welfare is six times as high as the percentage of white Americans on welfare. This is FAR from equal. And as it turns out, I was technically wrong--there are actually MORE total black people on welfare than white people, despite there being six times as many total white people period as black people!
And yet in every one of these threads, you whine about "white privilege" - sounds like playing the victim to me.Last edited by fm93; 03-04-2015, 04:04 PM.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostLet me try something a little different.
I'm an introvert. I don't like to talk all that much, and when I first meet someone, my conversation is typically awkward, because I'm just not very good at talking to people. I'm very mild-mannered and all around a nice guy, I'm just lousy at making conversation (though I'm getting increasingly good at faking it). If I'm talking to someone and accidentally commit a "microaggression", you can be damn sure I didn't mean anything sinister by it. I'm just trying to make conversation. Poorly, probably, but I'm just trying to be friendly. Doing my limited best, and all that. If this person becomes offended because of an ordinary, typically inoffensive thing that I've said, my reaction would be something like, "No, that wasn't what I meant. I was just trying to be friendly; I'm sorry for the confusion." I would then likely never try to talk to that person again, and in addition I would be discouraged from trying to make conversation with people in general, because in my introvertedness it is simply not worth my time and effort. I'm already bad at making conversation, and if I am this likely to offend somebody by saying something purely innocent, then what's the point?
So if something like that happened, I would be as polite and respectful as I could in response. Then, I would just talk even less than I do now, and be even more uncertain of myself than I am now anytime I did actually talk. I would likely struggle with feeling a bit offended at this person's quickness to assume sinister motives on my part, because I'm naturally thin-skinned and offense comes way too easily to me (I'm working on this).
Because of the existence of "microaggressions" and whatnot, I am discouraged from attempting to be friendly, even in my own clumsy way. Is this better?
I think an important part of what I've said in this thread has been repeatedly overlooked: people need to chill out with the assumption of motive. You're not sinister just because you unintentionally said something hurtful. They're not trying to force you to comply just because they find something hurtful.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostIt is one's duty not to yield to the tyranny and aggression of the language-policing anti-'microaggression' campaigns. Given the frivolity of many, if not most of the complaints it is only wise to assume that the complaints are unwarranted unless otherwise shown.
Originally posted by klaus54 View PostHow does one know if one unintentionally hurts someone?
K54I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post"Where are you from" was given as an example of an innocuous, acceptable question, but the document you linked paints it as a microaggression. It's like a no-win situation; anything you say is going to be dinged somehow.Originally posted by Zymologist View PostOh, yeah...that was my thought as well.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostDoes the existence of a bad example mean the occurrence under discussion does not exist? No.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostIf there was a black man who was equally as poor as that white man and wore tattered clothes and had a haggard look and lived on a dirty street just like him, the police would be far more likely to apprehend the black man, or society would be far more likely to believe that the white man is poor due to misfortune while deciding that the black man is poor due to laziness.
Having privilege isn't something that one should feel ashamed or guilty about; to the contrary, the proper response ought to be simple humility and honesty. I don't have any problem admitting that as a male, I've benefited and/or avoided negative effects compared to women. And though I'm not white, Asians are relatively racially privileged compared to black people and other folks with dark skin, so I also in a sense have a degree of privilege in that if an Asian person commits some heinous crime, my entire race won't be slandered for it.
And being a homeless bum is not a crime, so your point -- as with so many white-guilt racists - is not only specious but abets the propagation of racism.
Dr. M.L. King would be ashamed of profession race-baiters like Al Dullton, Jesse Jackson, and white-guilt racists pandering to the lowest common denominator of society.
You people make me sick.
K54
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostOh, I think I know what you mean. I suppose I'm just more bewildered at the apparent prevalence of the "bad examples". I'm fully aware that I'm capable of saying things that are hurtful (and reasonably so), but that weren't intended to be so.
I'm not really sure how to describe it well. It's like the wife in some tv show who gets really upset that the husband didn't put his spoon in the dishwasher the right way (or something equally trivial). She's not really upset about the spoon. She's upset about something else entirely. Once you get through the crying and the tears (ok I'm being really cliche here but w/e), you can start to get at what's really going on. The spoon is trivial and easily dismissed. What's really going on is hard to figure out but important. In the context of this thread, I'd liken the bad examples to the spoon.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostSo what do you suggest be done about it? Have a arrest quota for haggard white men?
And being a homeless bum is not a crime, so your point -- as with so many white-guilt racists - is not only specious but abets the propagation of racism.
Dr. M.L. King would be ashamed of profession race-baiters like Al Dullton, Jesse Jackson, and white-guilt racists pandering to the lowest common denominator of society.
You people make me sick.
K54Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostJust in case my previous response to this was not clear:
What you have done here is to play a typical liberal dishonest game. You took a legitimate difference of opinion (not one that breaks over religious lines) and used it to make a slur on Christianity. Are you proud of that dishonesty?
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