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  • #31
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    What issues are you thinking of on which you view her stance as pret... blah blah blah...
    Is there a reason you feel the need to rant and rave all the time?
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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    • #32
      Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
      Is there a reason you feel the need to rant and rave all the time?
      The fact that you interpret thoughtful and informed posts as ranting and raving says a lot about you.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        The fact that you interpret thoughtful and informed posts as ranting and raving says a lot about you.
        Thoughtful and informed? Tell yourself whatever makes you feel better. Don't let the details stop you from your long and thoughtless rants.
        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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        • #34
          Uh... Starlight's post #30 was completely calm... I don't see any ranting in there.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #35
            Oh, never mind, it was the other post. (Sorry, TWeb is down for me and I'm using a proxy so I can't edit or delete posts, or even quote.)
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #36
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              Oh, never mind, it was the other post. (Sorry, TWeb is down for me and I'm using a proxy so I can't edit or delete posts, or even quote.)
              She quoted post 30. If she meant the first one, she should've quoted that one.
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                You going for the "coverall"?

                not to mention it is laughable that dimlight thinks Hillary is far right

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                  not to mention it is laughable that dimlight thinks Hillary is far right
                  In case it wasn't clear: I'm saying she's at the right hand end of the spectrum of the Democrats and hence is not a candidate who is very pleasing to those at the left hand end of the Democrats. She is not "far right" compared to the Republicans.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    Oh, never mind, it was the other post.
                    There was no ranting in the other post either, in the sense of emotion at least. It was an emotionless discussion of the facts as I see them. I guess someone can claim the post was "too long" if they like (since most posts here seem to be 1 sentence each), or argue that something was wrong with one or more of the facts mentioned. But accusing me of ranting and raving seems utterly bizarre, because to me those terms imply emotion and there wasn't any at all whatsoever.

                    So I'm going to mentally file that accusation in the "bizarre and unrelated complete and utter BS" basket that Bill the Cat has already made it into with his weird bingo thingy. I'm constantly surprised at how posters here manage to come up with insults that aren't even tangentially related to what's being discussed.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sam View Post
                      I have to disagree that Clinton is far-left ... Bernie Sanders is really far left, Warren is reliably left. Clinton is center-left, at best. She is definitely not well-loved by Progressives. I can't think of a far-left policy that Clinton has stood behind, actually.

                      I'd call her domestically corporate-friendly left-ish and interventionist right-ish on foreign policy.
                      Clinton is left. Warren is far left. Sanders fell over the edge.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #41
                        The media has worked over time trying to convince everyone that those on the left aren't "really" liberal and those only the slightest bit conservative are actually radical extremist right wing nuts.

                        Case in point. when John Kerry and John Edwards ran for president and vice president we were constantly told that they were moderates by the media when in fact they had the 2nd and 3rd most liberal voting records in the U. S. Senate.

                        I really started noticing this when Gary Condit was involved in scandal (he was having an extramarital affair with his intern, Chandra Levy, who turned up missing). The media really avoided mentioning that he was Democrat while trying very hard to paint him as being a conservative (he was called conservative far more often than his party affiliation was mentioned). The fact of the matter is both conservative and liberal groups that rated politicians scored him as being exactly in the middle. A true moderate.

                        So, in the press' eyes moderate politicians became conservatives and truly liberal politicians were called moderates.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Bfffff, you're thinking small. Why settle for stagnation when you can shut down the government?
                          Baby steps.
                          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            So I'm going to mentally file that accusation in the "bizarre and unrelated complete and utter BS" basket that Bill the Cat has already made it into with his weird bingo thingy. I'm constantly surprised at how posters here manage to come up with insults that aren't even tangentially related to what's being discussed.
                            Anyone with two working brain cells can see that your post was filled with typical liberal talking points, from blaming the Koch brothers, to Bush's and Palin's intelligence, to accusations of gerrymandering. You're trying to play up the crowd with those tired diversions.

                            Fact is Hillary's voting record is quite to the left, especially from a social standpoint. Her economic record is also quite anti-corporation. http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Hi...rporations.htm


                            I have a plan to take away $55 billion of the giveaways and the subsidies that the president and Congress have lavished on the drug companies and the oil companies and the insurance companies and Wall Street. And I have a plan to give that money back--give it back in tax cuts to the middle class--to people who deserve it, who have been struggling under this president, who feel invisible, who feel like they’re not even seen anymore. - Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008


                            Let’s finally do something about the growing economic inequality that is tearing our country apart. The top 1% of our households hold 22% of our nation’s wealth. That is the highest concentration of wealth in a very small number of people since 1929. So let’s close that gap. Let’s start holding corporate America responsible, make them pay their fair share again. Enough with the corporate welfare. Enough with the golden parachutes. And enough with the tax incentives for companies to shift jobs overseas. - Source: Take Back America 2007 Conference Jun 20, 2007


                            I believe that the foundation of a strong economy doesn’t begin with giving people who are already privileged and wealthy even more benefits. I think it comes from shared prosperity.
                            Let’s start by cleaning up the government, replacing this culture of corruption and cronyism with a culture of competence and caring again. Let’s stop outsourcing critical government functions to private companies that overcharge and underperform! Let’s close the revolving door between government and the lobbying shop, and let’s end the no-bid contracts for Halliburton and the other well-connected companies! And how about the radical idea of appointing people who are actually qualified for the positions that we ask them to hold for us! Well, when I’m president, the entrance to the White House will no longer be a revolving door for the well connected, but a door of opportunity for the well qualified. - Source: Take Back America 2007 Conference Jun 20, 2007


                            Q: Overall, is Wal-Mart a good thing or a bad thing for the United States of America?
                            A: Well, it’s a mixed blessing. When Wal-Mart started, it brought goods into rural areas, like rural Arkansas where I was happy to live for 18 years, and gave people a chance to stretch their dollar further. As they grew much bigger, though, they have raised serious questions about the responsibility of corporations & how they need to be a leader when it comes to providing health care & having safe working conditions and not discriminating on the basis of sex or race. This is all part, though, of how this administration and corporate America today don’t see middle class and working Americans. They are invisible. They don’t understand that if you’re a family that can’t get health care, you are really hurting. But to the corporate elite and to the White House, you’re invisible. So we need to get both public sector and private sector leadership to start stepping up and being responsible and taking care of people. - Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC Apr 26, 2007


                            So many of us grew up with what I call the basic bargain: If you worked hard and if you played by rules you’d be able to build a better life for yourself and your family. Well, I don’t think in the last six years our country has actually been living up to that basic bargain. The leadership here in Washington seems to ignore middle class and hardworking families across our country. Under this president’s leadership household debt has soared, healthcare costs have skyrocketed, assuming that you have it. Wages have remained stagnant. Now corporate profits are up. And productivity is up, which means Americans are working harder than anybody in the world, but we’re not getting rewarded. I’ll tell you who is getting rewarded. Companies like Halliburton are getting rewarded with no-bid contracts, then they move their CEOs across the ocean to another country and leave us hanging right here at home. - Source: 2007 IAFF Presidential Forum in Washington DC Mar 14, 2007


                            For those who live in urban areas with few businesses of any kind, the impact of changes in the private sector is most direct & devastating, with high unemployment & crime, drug abuse, welfare dependency, & school failure. Problems elsewhere eventually affect us all [so] government has a big responsibility to help remedy them. But its resources are limited.
                            Other developed countries, like Japan & Germany, are more committed to social stability than we have been, and they tailor their economic policy to maintain it. We have chosen a different path, leaving more of our resources in the private sector. As a society, we have a choice to make. We can permit the marketplace largely to determine the values & well-being of the village, or we can continue, as we have in the past, to expect business to play a social as well as an economic role. That means we have to look realistically at what government must require business to do, principally in the areas of health, safety, the environment [and so on]. - Source: It Takes A Village, by Hillary Clinton, p.274-275 Sep 25, 1996


                            Anyone who thinks Hillary is a friend to corporations is simply deluding themselves by their own ignorance.
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Sam View Post
                              I have to disagree that Clinton is far-left ... Bernie Sanders is really far left, Warren is reliably left. Clinton is center-left, at best. She is definitely not well-loved by Progressives. I can't think of a far-left policy that Clinton has stood behind, actually.

                              I'd call her domestically corporate-friendly left-ish and interventionist right-ish on foreign policy.
                              What about her plans for universal health care?


                              Incidentally I find it funny that in 2007 she was railing against corporate welfare. And then in 2008 she voted for all the corporate bailouts/stimulus.
                              (I'd say corporate welfare itself is another 'centrist' policy, opposed on both 'right' and 'left'.)

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                                Baby steps.
                                ron-swanson-smiling.jpg

                                "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
                                "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
                                Katniss Everdeen


                                Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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