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  • Pope Gaycis not even trying anymore

    I'm posting this in civics since liberalism is not yet widely accepted as a proper religion.

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/201...omosexual.html

    From the "Relatio post disceptationem" of the General Rapporteur, Card. Péter Erdő:

    Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?

    The question of homosexuality leads to a serious reflection on how to elaborate realistic paths of affective growth and human and evangelical maturity integrating the sexual dimension: it appears therefore as an important educative challenge. The Church furthermore affirms that unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between man and woman. Nor is it acceptable that pressure be brought to bear on pastors or that international bodies make financial aid dependent on the introduction of regulations inspired by gender ideology.

    Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to the children who live with couples of the same sex, emphasizing that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.
    Last edited by Darth Executor; 01-31-2015, 05:20 AM.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    I'm posting this in civics since liberalism is not yet widely accepted as a proper religion.

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/201...omosexual.html



    "unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between man and woman"
    "moral problems connected to homosexual unions"
    "Pope Gaycis"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
      "unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between man and woman"
      "moral problems connected to homosexual unions"
      "Pope Gaycis"

      Don't play dumb. Just because he's not instantly going full progressive doesn't change the direction of the shift (or its magnitude, even if it isn't quite to your liking).
      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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      • #4
        Can't say I'm convinced, but it looks much more likely than it used to do.

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        • #5
          This discussion doesn't belong in Civics, but so long as it's here ... the best part is the blogger's own goal from Galatians citing Paul's strident defense of his choice to free his followers from Jewish law.

          That's gonna leave a mark.

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          • #6
            This is way old news.

            First of all, even if accurate, Pope Francis did not write the Relatio, so it is entirely disingenuous to pretend that this comes from him.

            However, more importantly, the Vatican subsequently denounced this reading as being a bad translation of the Italian original, and released the official English Relatio a few weeks later.

            http://www.catholicworldreport.com/B...anslation.aspx
            "[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
            --Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
              However, more importantly, the Vatican subsequently denounced this reading as being a bad translation of the Italian original, and released the official English Relatio a few weeks later.
              You're confusing the Relatio post disceptationem with the Relatio Synodi. The Relatio post disceptationem is the mid-Synod document that contains the quotes in the OP. In the Relatio Synodi, the post-Synod document, the bolded parts have not been included.

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              • #8
                Good on Pope Francis.
                "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
                  This discussion doesn't belong in Civics, but so long as it's here ... the best part is the blogger's own goal from Galatians citing Paul's strident defense of his choice to free his followers from Jewish law.

                  That's gonna leave a mark.
                  Usually I love piling on you but this is just plain embarrassing. If you delete it I'll delete this post and promise not to tell anyone you wrote it.
                  "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                  There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                  • #10
                    Too late, it's already saved on my HDD.
                    ~Formerly known as Chrawnus~

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                    • #11
                      I have no beef with LGBTers like I did as a teenager.
                      No LGBTer ever said I needed to be put down because of what I believe.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
                        This is way old news.

                        First of all, even if accurate, Pope Francis did not write the Relatio, so it is entirely disingenuous to pretend that this comes from him.

                        However, more importantly, the Vatican subsequently denounced this reading as being a bad translation of the Italian original, and released the official English Relatio a few weeks later.

                        http://www.catholicworldreport.com/B...anslation.aspx
                        Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                        You're confusing the Relatio post disceptationem with the Relatio Synodi. The Relatio post disceptationem is the mid-Synod document that contains the quotes in the OP. In the Relatio Synodi, the post-Synod document, the bolded parts have not been included.
                        IIRC, both of you are a certain shade of correct; the translation problems in the initial relatio were probably a non-negligible factor in the considerable delay in the release of the English version of the official relatio synodi. The article cited is in response to the early translation of the mid-synod document.

                        I remember that stuff mostly because I wrote an essay after the synod and couldn't get my hands on an English translation of the final document for quite some time

                        The final version is also interesting because of the fact that even the rejected paragraphs were included, along with the vote tallies; the general impression seems to be that those who voted against the paragraphs that (technically) didn't make the final cut did so because they wanted more generous language.

                        ETA: It was, I believe, at the behest of Pope Francis that the disputed paragraphs, along with the tallied voted, were included in the final relatio (which is still, of course, just an interim document). It is clear that Pope Francis wanted to show that there were a good number of bishops who thought that the paragraphs in question did not go far enough in extending welcome to LGBT people.
                        Last edited by Spartacus; 02-02-2015, 11:45 PM.
                        Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DLAbaoaqu View Post
                          I have no beef with LGBTers like I did as a teenager.
                          No LGBTer ever said I needed to be put down because of what I believe.
                          No, they just sue you if you don't bake them a wedding cake, or host their wedding in your living room.
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
                            This is way old news.

                            First of all, even if accurate, Pope Francis did not write the Relatio, so it is entirely disingenuous to pretend that this comes from him.
                            He was responsible for pushing it through, whether he wrote it personally is irrelevant.

                            However, more importantly, the Vatican subsequently denounced this reading as being a bad translation of the Italian original, and released the official English Relatio a few weeks later.

                            http://www.catholicworldreport.com/B...anslation.aspx
                            There was nothing wrong with the translation, they walked it back in the edited release due to the pushback and then blamed the outrage on a "bad translation".
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DLAbaoaqu View Post
                              No LGBTer ever said I needed to be put down because of what I believe.
                              That is until the "tolerant" horde calls you a bible-thumping Nazi-loving wing-nut bigot for believing marriage should be between a man and women and how your church's traditional marital beliefs need to be destroyed under the march of Progress™. How long do you think its going to be until the LGBTXYZLOLBBQ lobby pushes for churches to get labeled as hate groups and/or remove tax exempt status for not providing same sex ceremonies? My reject of a governor said not too long ago that people who oppose his stance on legalizing same sex marriages (in addition to his gun-grabbing and baby killing fetish) are extremists who need to leave the state.

                              That's a world I refuse to live in. One I will fight against.
                              Last edited by Knowing Thomas; 02-03-2015, 12:16 AM.

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