Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

More Lovely Tolerance From The Left...

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • More Lovely Tolerance From The Left...

    Really, who do these people think they are? To prevent a Judge from being a part of the Boy Scouts in their off time? I mean really, if you liberals don't see the totalitarian nature of these kind of rulings then you are either blind or ethically sick.

    When the California Supreme Court voted last week to prohibit state judges from belonging to nonprofit youth organizations that practice discrimination, Julia Kelety was not surprised.

    The issue, which had been roiling through the legal community for the last year, had triggered vigorous debate, giving Kelety, a Superior Court judge in San Diego County, time to prepare.

    Committee chair for Boy Scout Troop 24, she has already begun to consider a successor before she begins dialing back her commitment to the 30 boys in her troop.

    Although the court's unanimous decision did not explicitly mention the Boy Scouts of America, there was little doubt that it was the intended target. The organization, which lifted its ban on openly gay boys younger than 18, still prohibits gay and lesbian adults from serving as staff or voluntary leaders.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...ry.html#page=1
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    The SCOTUS will toss that like a salad. Freedom of association can't be blocked like that.
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
    Stephen R. Donaldson

    Comment


    • #3
      Logically speaking, what would prevent this precedent from being used to disallow a judge from attending a non-mainline church?
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        Logically speaking, what would prevent this precedent from being used to disallow a judge from attending a non-mainline church?
        Nothing - and it could go further - why should judges be allowed to go to political rallies when they are to be neutral (so the logic would go).

        Crappy law.

        "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot


        "Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman

        My Personal Blog

        My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
          Nothing - and it could go further - why should judges be allowed to go to political rallies when they are to be neutral (so the logic would go).

          Crappy law.
          Even better, the Justices are discriminating against groups they think are discriminatory, so the judges could then not be involved in the California Supreme Court.
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          Stephen R. Donaldson

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            Nothing - and it could go further - why should judges be allowed to go to political rallies when they are to be neutral (so the logic would go).

            Crappy law.
            I actually think it's poor form for judges to be attending political rallies, though I don't think it should be illegal.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              I actually think it's poor form for judges to be attending political rallies, though I don't think it should be illegal.
              I agree with this - but elected judges don't seem to have much of a choice.

              "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot


              "Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman

              My Personal Blog

              My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)

              Comment


              • #8
                Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that it is general practice for states to forbid judges from being members of discriminatory organizations. The issue here is that there was an explicit exception for youth organizations, and this ruling removes the exception.

                If this is the case, the decision seems pretty uncontroversial. It's just a case of consistency. The problem people might have should be with the rules governing judges period, not this specific ruling.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that it is general practice for states to forbid judges from being members of discriminatory organizations. The issue here is that there was an explicit exception for youth organizations, and this ruling removes the exception.

                  If this is the case, the decision seems pretty uncontroversial. It's just a case of consistency. The problem people might have should be with the rules governing judges period, not this specific ruling.
                  Where do you get that from?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    What form of discrimination are we referring to? Because going literally on that, the Boy Scouts have always discriminated - they don't allow girls.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Where do you get that from?
                      The rest of the article. Specifically the rationale for the ban.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                        The rest of the article. Specifically the rationale for the ban.
                        It says that only 21 states have included sexual orientation as a protected class for such discrimination.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          It says that only 21 states have included sexual orientation as a protected class for such discrimination.
                          Read right below that.
                          I'm not here anymore.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                            Read right below that.
                            "But California was the only state that had made an exception for nonprofit youth organizations."

                            yeah, of those 21 states that include sexual orientation as discrimination.

                            PM make it sound like it was general practice for most states to not allow belonging to groups that discriminated based on sexual orientation. That isn't true.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              "But California was the only state that had made an exception for nonprofit youth organizations."

                              yeah, of those 21 states that include sexual orientation as discrimination.

                              PM make it sound like it was general practice for most states to not allow belonging to groups that discriminated based on sexual orientation. That isn't true.
                              I didn't mention sexual orientation at all.

                              Comment

                              Related Threads

                              Collapse

                              Topics Statistics Last Post
                              Started by Gondwanaland, Yesterday, 01:42 PM
                              38 responses
                              155 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post rogue06
                              by rogue06
                               
                              Started by Ronson, Yesterday, 11:16 AM
                              4 responses
                              48 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post NorrinRadd  
                              Started by Juvenal, Yesterday, 04:13 AM
                              14 responses
                              62 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post Terraceth  
                              Started by shunyadragon, 11-24-2020, 06:20 PM
                              22 responses
                              132 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post rogue06
                              by rogue06
                               
                              Started by shunyadragon, 11-24-2020, 06:10 PM
                              5 responses
                              46 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post Ronson
                              by Ronson
                               
                              Working...
                              X