Measles Spreading in California

[Christy]

I apologize. I shouldn't have called you that.

Thanks

[Truthseeker]

Especially considering that the link between vaccinations and autism has been utterly debunked.

You should not have written "utterly debunked." Autism is of many kinds and there is a myriad of possible causes. It's a statistical nightmare. Could it be the decreasing % of the atmosphere that is oxygen? Before the Industrial Revolution, it was 30-35%. Now, 21%; smaller in large population centers. What connection? Even if there is one, unfortunately it may be a very long time before we know what it is.

[lilpixieofterror]

And one of the most likely reasons is that parents don't want their kids getting vaccinations; http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us...=tw-share&_r=0

The anti-vaccine crowd. Killing children and/or giving them serious illnesses, the world over.

[pancreasman]

You should not have written "utterly debunked." Autism is of many kinds and there is a myriad of possible causes. It's a statistical nightmare. Could it be the decreasing % of the atmosphere that is oxygen? Before the Industrial Revolution, it was 30-35%. Now, 21%; smaller in large population centers. What connection? Even if there is one, unfortunately it may be a very long time before we know what it is.

Utterly.

Conclusions. Studies do not demonstrate a link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and ASD, and the pharmacokinetics of ethylmercury make such an association less likely. Epidemiologic studies that support a link demonstrated significant design flaws that invalidate their conclusions. Evidence does not support a change in the standard of practice with regard to administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines in areas of the world where they are used.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...14/3/793.short

Conclusions:  The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...5.01425.x/full

(waits for the first person to say 'Big Pharma'.)

[JonathanL]

Happy to oblige.




































Big Pharma.

[pancreasman]

Happy to oblige.




































Big Pharma.

Thank you. We can all go home now.

[JonathanL]

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[rogue06]

Don't ya just hate it when that happens?

Almost a full third of my amens for your posts were accidental when I really meant to click "report"

[Cow Poke]

Almost a full third of my amens for your posts were accidental when I really meant to click "report"

Oh YEAH?!?!?! Report me!

[Cow Poke]

(waits for the first person to say 'Big Pharma'.)

Big Pharma

[Truthseeker]

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...14/3/793.short

Well, you at least allow the possibility that scientific studies can be poor or faked. Faked, yes? I wish I can tell for sure who is reliable and who not.

[Carrikature]

The anti-vaccine crowd. Killing children and/or giving them serious illnesses, the world over.

Not that I'm anti-vaccine, but I can't help but wonder how overstated this is. Increases in hygiene alone would make a pretty big dent in the spread of disease. I'm not convinced that failing to administer vaccines is as...catastrophic as is typically portrayed. That said, the risk/reward still plays heavily in favor of vaccination.

Related note: my brother-in-law's wife has been talking about 'normal' delivery instead of a c-section (first child was c-section). She was kinda miffed that the doctor flat out refused. Apparently, he (rightly, imo) thinks the risk is not worth it. She wasn't so sure until I pointed out that the risk included possible death. It's an unlikely risk, ofc, but is it worth it under any avoidable circumstances? She didn't seem to think so.

[Cow Poke]

Increases in hygiene alone would make a pretty big dent in the spread of disease.

Back in the late 70's, we were doing a lot of mission work in Haiti, and had a number of clinics there. We (our clinics) would get the kids well, only to have them get the same illnesses and parasites they had before we treated them.

We (Baptists and Lutherans in a mutual aid agreement) began drilling deep water wells all over the island, providing clean drinking water. That made a HUGE difference, and when the kids were made well, they tended to stay well. That had been getting sick all over again from drinking their own brackish water.

[Truthseeker]

And one of the most likely reasons is that parents don't want their kids getting vaccinations; http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us...=tw-share&_r=0

The article did not mention any classification of the statistics:
1) Number of victims that are considered to be adequately vaccinated;
2) ditto except inadequately.
3) ditto except not ever vaccinated.

Also, incidence among these groups. E.g., the ratio of adequately vaccinated victims to total adequately vaccinated people.

If the incidence of 1) > incidence of 3) that would mean someone in 3) is more likely to catch measles from 1) than vice versa.

[pancreasman]

Well, you at least allow the possibility that scientific studies can be poor or faked. Faked, yes? I wish I can tell for sure who is reliable and who not.

Of course one should doubt the methodology of any study that produces results one does not personally agree with.