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  • Harper-Collins prints atlas with no Israel.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ool-atlas.html
    Source: Telegraph

    HarperCollins, one of the world's largest publishing houses, sells English-language atlases to schools in the Middle East that omit Israel.

    Collins Middle East Atlases show Jordan and Syria extending to the Mediterranean but do mark the position of the West Bank.

    “The publication of this atlas will confirm Israel’s belief that there exists a hostility towards their country from parts of the Arab world. It will not help to build up a spirit of trust leading to peaceful co-existence,” said Bishop Declan Lang, the chairman of the Bishops' Conference Department of International Affairs, to The Tablet.

    “Maps can be a very powerful tool in terms of de-legitimising 'the other' and can lead to confusion rather than clarity. We would be keen to see relevant bodies ensure that all atlases anywhere reflect the official United Nations position on nations, boundaries and all political features," added Dr Jane Clements, director of the Council of Christians and Jews.

    However, Collins Bartholomew, the subsidiary of HarperCollins that specialises in maps, said that including Israel would have been “unacceptable” to their customers in the Gulf and the amendment incorporated “local preferences”.

    The Tablet said it had discovered the customs officers in one unnamed Gulf country only permitting the import of school atlases once Israel had been deleted by hand.

    A HarperCollins spokesperson said: “HarperCollins regrets the omission of the name Israel from their Collins Middle East Atlas. This product has now been removed from sale in all territories and all remaining stock will be pulped. HarperCollins sincerely apologises for this omission and for any offence caused.”

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    Sounds like they're sorry because they got found out
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    • #3
      I don't really understand why this is a big deal.
      I'm not here anymore.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
        I don't really understand why this is a big deal.
        You got to be kidding. There is a thing called truth. Oh, that's right: You do have problem with that concept.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
          I don't really understand why this is a big deal.
          You don't believe Israel exists?

          And that the publishing company was ok to leave it out of their atlas?


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          • #6
            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            You got to be kidding. There is a thing called truth. Oh, that's right: You do have problem with that concept.
            You're funny.


            Originally posted by mossrose View Post
            You don't believe Israel exists?

            And that the publishing company was ok to leave it out of their atlas?
            Of course I believe Israel exists. Does leaving it off a map somehow make it suddenly vanish? Definitely not. Is the legitimacy of Israel's existence actually threatened by leaving it off a map (let alone for people that have been erasing it anyway)? I don't see how. As far as the publishing company goes, I'm not sure I see much of a difference between what they did and what faith-based publishing companies do for Christian school textbooks. We don't hold publishing companies accountable for whatever other nonsense the books they put out might contain. There's certainly been no public outcry against publishing companies that put out atheist literature. The only thing special here (afaict) is that it's Israel being 'threatened'.
            I'm not here anymore.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
              You're funny.




              Of course I believe Israel exists. Does leaving it off a map somehow make it suddenly vanish? Definitely not. Is the legitimacy of Israel's existence actually threatened by leaving it off a map (let alone for people that have been erasing it anyway)? I don't see how. As far as the publishing company goes, I'm not sure I see much of a difference between what they did and what faith-based publishing companies do for Christian school textbooks. We don't hold publishing companies accountable for whatever other nonsense the books they put out might contain. There's certainly been no public outcry against publishing companies that put out atheist literature. The only thing special here (afaict) is that it's Israel being 'threatened'.
              Bet you'd make a big stink if your country was left off the map by a publishing company.

              Especially when said company admitted leaving it off to make more sales.

              Gonna put in my order for an atlas that leaves Oregon off! My preference must not be denied!


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              • #8
                Nah, it's either a bone-headed mistake or publishers trying to make money by catering to a market by lying. Either way, terrible. Whatever happened to the idea of an impartial reference book?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                  You're funny.




                  Of course I believe Israel exists. Does leaving it off a map somehow make it suddenly vanish? Definitely not. Is the legitimacy of Israel's existence actually threatened by leaving it off a map (let alone for people that have been erasing it anyway)? I don't see how. As far as the publishing company goes, I'm not sure I see much of a difference between what they did and what faith-based publishing companies do for Christian school textbooks. We don't hold publishing companies accountable for whatever other nonsense the books they put out might contain. There's certainly been no public outcry against publishing companies that put out atheist literature. The only thing special here (afaict) is that it's Israel being 'threatened'.
                  IMHO it shows that claiming that Israel has no right to exist is a legitimate view. After all if such a respectable Western publishing house can essentially deny their existence then there must be something to it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                    Of course I believe Israel exists. Does leaving it off a map somehow make it suddenly vanish? Definitely not. Is the legitimacy of Israel's existence actually threatened by leaving it off a map (let alone for people that have been erasing it anyway)? I don't see how. As far as the publishing company goes, I'm not sure I see much of a difference between what they did and what faith-based publishing companies do for Christian school textbooks. We don't hold publishing companies accountable for whatever other nonsense the books they put out might contain. There's certainly been no public outcry against publishing companies that put out atheist literature. The only thing special here (afaict) is that it's Israel being 'threatened'.
                    Doesn't it contribute to marginalization and persecution?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                      Nah, it's either a bone-headed mistake or publishers trying to make money by catering to a market by lying. Either way, terrible. Whatever happened to the idea of an impartial reference book?
                      the latter rather than the former.

                      It's actually not that different to how Google shows different borders for Crimea on Google Maps if you're in say Russia compared to USA.
                      http://opennews.kzhu.io/map-disputes/
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                        Bet you'd make a big stink if your country was left off the map by a publishing company.

                        Especially when said company admitted leaving it off to make more sales.

                        Gonna put in my order for an atlas that leaves Oregon off! My preference must not be denied!
                        I bet I wouldn't. My country's existence or legitimacy isn't changed by a company leaving it off certain maps. Stupid is still stupid, and getting upset about it doesn't really change things. There will always be stupid. Why should that offend me?


                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        IMHO it shows that claiming that Israel has no right to exist is a legitimate view. After all if such a respectable Western publishing house can essentially deny their existence then there must be something to it.
                        Is it true that the publishing house is denying Israel's existence? I don't see how. If that's how we're going to view it, then my point about atheist works getting published is even more relevant. You don't honestly think that the owners or employees of a publishing house believe in everything they publish, any more than the editors and publishers of a peer-reviewed journal necessarily hold to the interpretations of whatever articles they've included. They're paid to provide a service. It's just as stupid as holding chick-fil-a employees in contempt because of what the owner believes.


                        Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                        Doesn't it contribute to marginalization and persecution?
                        I don't see how. The countries buying such atlases have already been removing Israel from the maps. What's really changed? They can pay for the service instead of paying a dude to get high on whiteout.
                        I'm not here anymore.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                          I don't really understand why this is a big deal.
                          One word: marginalization. It undercuts Israel's legitimacy - granted, it's starting with the indigenous pop but that's their base - wouldn't do to have muslims acknowledge that Israel has any legitimacy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                            One word: marginalization. It undercuts Israel's legitimacy - granted, it's starting with the indigenous pop but that's their base - wouldn't do to have muslims acknowledge that Israel has any legitimacy.
                            It's undercutting Israel's legitimacy with a group of people that already don't admit Israel exists. That seems like a pretty trivial concern.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                              It's undercutting Israel's legitimacy with a group of people that already don't admit Israel exists. That seems like a pretty trivial concern.
                              It's perpetuating that which has long term political repercussions - but more to the point, it's aiding and abetting raw hatred. Stupid business practice for a Western business to get involved in.

                              Mind you, I think that's just as true for Google, et al.

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