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    A few months ago Anice Parker caused something of an uproar.

    After she dismissed 40.000 out of 50.000 votes against her HERO ordinance (equal access to bathrooms for transgenders), various Christian groups moved to sue, and she responded with an overly (ridiculously) broad subpoena where she demanded 'all speeches, presentations, or sermons related to [the equal rights ordinance], the petition, Mayor Annise Parker, homosexuality, or gender identity.'

    Anice Parker later claimed that she as was unaware of how broad this subpoena was, and responded first by narrowing it to information about whether the pastors had instructed members of the their communities in the ballot process, but finally dropped it after a sufficient amount of pressure.

    Apparently she's back though:

    "A short time later, the city withdrew subpoenas, but now it has submitted several motions in the case, including one asking the state district court to deprive the pastors of a jury decision, leaving it only to a judge."
    http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/uh-oh-les...CqiERzfwu5w.99

    I'm trying to find better sources for this, it sounds unbelievable to me. What's people's take on this?
    Last edited by Leonhard; 01-10-2015, 09:20 AM. Reason: grammar

  • #2
    This might be a bit mean, but that picture, and the story leaves me with a particular image in mind.

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    • #3
      It sounds a little off to me. The pastors are not on trial; they (and others) are the plaintiffs. The defense is allowed to request a trial by the judge, instead of by a jury. I have no knowledge of the details of this case so I could be mistaken.
      βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
      ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

      אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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      • #4
        I'm pretty close to this, but haven't heard this stuff.
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #5
          Since it's the right of a person to have trial by jury, only that person can waive that right. I think somebody got bad information.
          Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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          • #6
            For what it's worth:

            Source: WND

            ... A short time later, the city withdrew subpoenas, but now it has submitted several motions in the case, including one asking the state district court to deprive the pastors of a jury decision, leaving it only to a judge.

            The city claims that since the pastors want an “election,” it is therefore an “election dispute,” and the state does not grant the right to a jury trial for election disputes.

            The plaintiffs pointed out they submitted a timely demand for a jury trial and paid the fee and, therefore, are entitled to a jury decision under the Texas Constitution.

            “An election contest is a contest of an election which has already taken place. No election has occurred in this case. Calling plaintiffs’ lawsuit an ‘election contest’ does not make it an election contest,” they argued. “An election contest has a very precise and narrow definition in the Texas Election Code, and, as one might anticipate, requires that an actual election has transpired.”

            They continued: “If the plaintiffs prevail on their claims, then not only is the mayor’s so-called Equal Rights Ordinance temporarily suspended, but the Houston City Council will be required to immediately convene and reconsider whether to repeal the ERO in its entirety. Council’s failure to do so then triggers a duty on behalf of the city to order an election and allow the registered voters of Houston [to] vote on whether the ERO should be repealed or not.”

            The city also told the court it wanted a ruling that a special master would be appointed to hear evidence, keeping it out of the hands of a jury or a judge.

            Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/uh-oh-les...0Q01t1kTKL2.99

            © Copyright Original Source



            The claim is that the pastors want an "election", therefore this is not a situation where a jury trial is appropriate. (in their opinion)
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #7
              I particularly like the "people are too stupid to understand this" argument....

              Source: same article

              “Given the complex and technical nature of the issues presented in this lawsuit, and the difficulty of applying the various legal requirements to plaintiffs deficient but voluminous referendum petition, defendants ask this court to appoint a special master.”
              Source

              © Copyright Original Source

              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #8
                The petition is about 5.199 pages long. It must involve a lot of documentation for how the votes were collected.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  40.000 out of 50.000

                  What's people's take on this?
                  Commas, not periods, ya eupies!

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                  • #10
                    Lol ... the grammar nazi speaks.
                    Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                    • #11
                      WND is never the most reliable source. It sounds closer to conspiracy theory than legitimate however in reading the actual report its definately bothersome. Mayor Annise Parker on Friday followed through on her pledge to narrow the scope of subpoenas sent to local pastors who led opposition to the city's equal rights ordinance earlier this year.

                      Though the subpoena's new wording removes any mention of "sermons" — a reference that created a firestorm among Christian conservative groups and politicians, including Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott and U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, who accused Parker of trying "to silence the church" — the mayor acknowledged the new subpoenas do not explicitly preclude sermons from being produced.

                      "We don't need to intrude on matters of faith to have equal rights in Houston, and it was never the intention of the city of Houston to intrude on any matters of faith or to get between a pastor and their parishioners,"
                      A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                      George Bernard Shaw

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
                        Commas, not periods, ya eupies!
                        Europeans, including Leonhard, "dress up" large numbers differently. Lao Tzu would write "12,345,578.230," but Leonhard prefers "12.345.578,230." People like Leonhard love to befuddle Americans, you see.
                        The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                        [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                          Lol ... the grammar nazi speaks.
                          CP is the resident grammar nazi. lao is just a jerk.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #14
                            Here is another source for the story: Houston, We Still Have a Problem: Lesbian Mayor at It Again. Its from "CharismaNews" which also publishes a monthly magazine out of Florida called Charisma which appears to be primarily directed toward Pentecostals and charismatics.

                            The principle source cited by both articles (this one and WND) appears to be a Pastor Steve Riggle of Grace Community Church.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                              Europeans, including Leonhard, "dress up" large numbers differently. Lao Tzu would write "12,345,578.230," but Leonhard prefers "12.345.578,230." People like Leonhard love to befuddle Americans, you see.
                              Just like the cads like to mix up the order of months and dates when given numerically. For instance for January 10, 2014 us normal folks would write 1/10/2014 (or 1-10-2014) whereas those nogoodniks insist on writing 10/1/2014.

                              Its a conspiracy I tells ya smiley fist shake.gif

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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