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Who are the 'REAL' conservatives?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhich is to say that Americans overwhelming believe in personal freedom and self-actualization. And now you know why the United States of America is one of the greatest nations in history despite our current president doing everything he can to change that.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI thought populism was more generally about reflecting the will of the people/pandering to the crowd (i.e. Elizabeth Warren fashions herself a populist). I don't support such political behavior because public opinion is capricious.
Political science: never create a new term when you can recycle an old one fifteen different ways.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou're considered 'populists' - and almost as rare as dodos...
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI see people say this all the time, but I know some leftists in America that would probably put to shame most leftists in Europe (I have a number of close acquaintances in the Anarchist scene), but maybe you're referring to our politicians moreso than groups of individuals.
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Which is to say that Americans overwhelming believe in personal freedom and self-actualization. And now you know why the United States of America is one of the greatest nations in history despite our current president doing everything he can to change that.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI fully agree - that's actually pretty old news. What most Americans would be surprised by is how much more in common our sides have than those internationally. Our 'left' would be right in many nations and our 'right' left of many others. American is VERY centrist - our bell curve looks like a tall bell; Europe's looks like a bump in a long line.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostFiscal conservatives often fall into the libertarian spectrum which makes them more socially liberal. Not all social conservatives are fiscally conservative but a high percentage are. In common parlance, FC/SL is usually going to be called moderate if not libertarian (which would be the more accurate).
In any case, I would not refer to FC/SL or FL/SC as either liberal or conservative if speaking generally.
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Originally posted by phank View PostMaybe we could say that most conservatives are fiscal conservatives, but not all of them are social conservatives. Pure fiscal conservatives want a smaller, less intrusive, far less expensive government. If this means government should stay out of such personal affairs as abortion and marriage, so be it. If this means maintaining only enough defense for actual defense (rather than running overseas to start wars halfway around the world), so be it. If it means legalizing drugs and stopping the prohibitively expensive, totally ineffective drug war, so be it. Fiscal conservatives favor toll roads, so that only those who drive on a road should be paying for it. And so on.
In any case, I would not refer to FC/SL or FL/SC as either liberal or conservative if speaking generally.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI found this doing my minimal research on line. I do maintain that the US is 'more' conservative generally than most other developed nations and I think some of you guys' heads would explode if you had to live here in OZ or NZ for example.
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Maybe we could say that most conservatives are fiscal conservatives, but not all of them are social conservatives.
Needless to say, the current government does not.
If this means maintaining only enough defense for actual defense (rather than running overseas to start wars halfway around the world), so be it.
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Originally posted by Buzzword View PostYou do realize how immature this makes you appear, right?
And social conservatives tend to only be fiscally conservative regarding the government programs which fit an ethnocentric, nationalistic, and militaristic mindset.
You almost never see social conservatives campaigning for a downsized military, or demanding that religious organizations be taxed in order to balance the budget.
Fiscal conservatives have done both.
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