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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Interesting fact:

    Since the 1997 gun ban in England, there has only been one year where homocides dropped below the pre-ban rates. Immediately following the ban, homocide rates saw a sharp spike that took a a decade to come down.

    http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...fter-gun-bans/

    In contrast, multiple studies in the US have shown an inverse correlation between the rate of gun ownership and violent crime.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rimes-plummet/
    For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

    But EVERYONE knows that death by firearm is much more heinous than say getting stabbed or beaten to death...

    "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

    "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Interesting fact:

      Since the 1997 gun ban in England, there has only been one year where homocides dropped below the pre-ban rates. Immediately following the ban, homocide rates saw a sharp spike that took a a decade to come down.

      http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...fter-gun-bans/

      In contrast, multiple studies in the US have shown an inverse correlation between the rate of gun ownership and violent crime.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rimes-plummet/
      You mean the belief that getting rid of guns causes drops in crime is nothing more than hogwash? Who'd thought?
      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Interesting fact:
        Since the 1997 gun ban in England, there has only been one year where homocides dropped below the pre-ban rates. Immediately following the ban, homocide rates saw a sharp spike that took a a decade to come down.
        http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...fter-gun-bans/
        In contrast, multiple studies in the US have shown an inverse correlation between the rate of gun ownership and violent crime.
        http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rimes-plummet/
        I think you would reduce peoples desire to arm themselves if inequality issues around income, job opportunities, education, housing and so on were addressed.
        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
        “not all there” - you know who you are

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        • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
          And another one. Veronica J Rutledge in Walmart. This might set a record for the youngest kid to shoot his mother.
          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30636326
          You know, it’s not the casualty rate that bothers me so much but that people are so frightened that they put guns in their bags when they go shopping. Is this fear justified? Come on Americans, get a grip.
          I live in Montana. It is incredibly easy to get a concealed carry permit here. I literally can't think of a single person I know in this state who does not own a gun, or several. I don't live in fear for my life. Perhaps guns aren't the problem?
          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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          • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            I think you would reduce peoples desire to arm themselves if inequality issues around income, job opportunities, education, housing and so on were addressed.
            Yes, let's all just think happy thoughts and the world will become a better place.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
              I think you would reduce peoples desire to arm themselves if inequality issues around income, job opportunities, education, housing and so on were addressed.
              Oh, it's this old chesnut, that all the bad things that happen in America are because of rich, white people refusing to "spread the wealth". History is full of examples of governments trying to enforce equality and social justice, and suffice to say, even a bad example is a good example of a bad example. You can give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day, but if you don't feed his soul, he will be lost for eternity.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • Guns aren't the problem. It's the criminals behind them that's the problem.

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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Guns aren't the problem. It's the criminals behind them that's the problem.
                  And much of that comes to us through the social engineering that led to the collapse of the nuclear family.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                    And another one. Veronica J Rutledge in Walmart. This might set a record for the youngest kid to shoot his mother.
                    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30636326
                    You know, it’s not the casualty rate that bothers me so much but that people are so frightened that they put guns in their bags when they go shopping. Is this fear justified? Come on Americans, get a grip.
                    Just to put this into perspective, you're three times more likely to die from falling off a ladder than you are from a gunshot wound, accidental or otherwise. In fact, as far as leading causes of death in America are concerned, guns are way down on the list at around 0.3%.

                    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...11-34-percent/

                    Furthermore, suicides account for the largest percentage of gun deaths in America.

                    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay...th-is-suicide/

                    Which is to say that fear of guns is being largely overblown by the left.

                    As for this woman, all I can say is that keeping an unsecured firearm around children, especially young children, is foolish. And, no, putting a gun in your purse does not qualify as "secured".
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      Just to put this into perspective, you're three times more likely to die from falling off a ladder than you are from a gunshot wound, accidental or otherwise. In fact, as far as leading causes of death in America are concerned, guns are way down on the list at around 0.3%.

                      http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...11-34-percent/

                      Furthermore, suicides account for the largest percentage of gun deaths in America.

                      http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay...th-is-suicide/

                      Which is to say that fear of guns is being largely overblown by the left.

                      As for this woman, all I can say is that keeping an unsecured firearm around children, especially young children, is foolish. And, no, putting a gun in your purse does not qualify as "secured".
                      Given how many guns are actually in the US (estimates are as high as ~300 million), that makes these low numbers all the more significant to me.
                      I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        Guns aren't the problem. It's the criminals behind them that's the problem.
                        Blaming firearms is like blaming cameras for pornography

                        I'm always still in trouble again

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Interesting fact:

                          Since the 1997 gun ban in England, there has only been one year where homocides dropped below the pre-ban rates. Immediately following the ban, homocide rates saw a sharp spike that took a a decade to come down.

                          http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...fter-gun-bans/

                          In contrast, multiple studies in the US have shown an inverse correlation between the rate of gun ownership and violent crime.

                          http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rimes-plummet/
                          I looked into this, because I thought it was pretty amazing, but it turns out that the study might be skewed a bit. This is from Australian Institute of Criminology. http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/c...20/cfi115.html

                          Source: Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology, January 2006

                          The way in which crime is recorded varies across jurisdictions and over time, so comparing crime rates between countries (and, sometimes, within a country) is not necessarily an accurate indicator of differences in actual levels of crime in those countries. Similarly, crime rate trend data in a single jurisdiction are not necessarily reflective of trends in actual levels of crime. Changes in rates of recorded crime may be the result of changes in the way crime data are collected, or changes in the proportion of victims reporting criminal offences to police. The figure below shows a dramatic increase in recorded violent crime in England and Wales between 1998 and the present. Rather than indicating a sharp rise in actual violence, however, this increase is largely the direct result of major changes to the way crime data are recorded in the England and Wales. First in 1998 and then again in 2002, amendments were introduced to include a broader range of offences, to promote greater consistency, and to take a more victim-led approach where alleged offences were recorded as well as evidence-based ones. The changes affected recorded violent crimes more than property or other crimes. Incremental changes over time in recording procedures in the United States, Canada and Australia may also have influenced recorded violent crime trend data in these countries.

                          © Copyright Original Source



                          Now, that's not to say that violent crime fell, necessarily, because of the gun ban, but it seems like something we should maybe keep in mind when looking at the statistics.

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                          • I am the owner of a WWII surplus 9mm Mouser. I hardly ever kill anyone.
                            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                            • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                              I am the owner of a WWII surplus 9mm Mouser. I hardly ever kill anyone.
                              ...yet.
                              I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                              • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                                I am the owner of a WWII surplus 9mm Mouser. I hardly ever kill anyone.
                                That's a tiny cat...(and old too!) unless you meant it's a 9mm Mauser
                                "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                                "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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