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  • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    Are Christians supposed to be engaged with the world politically or should they be minding their own business
    In the United States politics is the Christians business.
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      Are Christians supposed to be engaged with the world politically or should they be minding their own business and waiting quietly to be raptured off the planet?
      What's WITH you people with all these false dichotomies?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        What's WITH you people with all these false dichotomies?
        People like FF think they can shut us up and turn us into cattle by misquoting the bible and telling us that we should "not get involved"

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          People like FF think they can shut us up and turn us into cattle by misquoting the bible and telling us that we should "not get involved"
          I agree that Christians should not get involved...in democratic politics, which is a simulacrum and distraction of power rather than actual power, and leads too easily to the belief that the voice of the numerical majority is the voice of God. I do agree that Christians should take over, replace, or destroy the mechanisms of true power-the media, the academic professoriate, and the permanent civil service-if they want a chance to actually take this world for Christ. In a Christian society it may be well to say "I am a net producer, I help the less fortunate, all is well," but we don't live in a Christian society, do we?

          Ann Coulter is still right:

          Whatever good Dr. Kent Brantly did in Liberia has now been overwhelmed by the more than $2 million already paid by the Christian charities Samaritan's Purse and SIM USA just to fly him and his nurse home in separate Gulfstream jets, specially equipped with medical tents, and to care for them at one of America's premier hospitals. (This trip may be the first real-world demonstration of the economics of Obamacare.)


          There's little danger of an Ebola plague breaking loose from the treatment of these two Americans at the Emory University Hospital. But why do we have to deal with this at all?


          Why did Dr. Brantly have to go to Africa? The very first "risk factor" listed by the Mayo Clinic for Ebola -- an incurable disease with a 90 percent fatality rate -- is: "Travel to Africa."


          Can't anyone serve Christ in America anymore?


          No -- because we're doing just fine. America, the most powerful, influential nation on Earth, is merely in a pitched battle for its soul.


          About 15,000 people are murdered in the U.S. every year. More than 38,000 die of drug overdoses, half of them from prescription drugs. More than 40 percent of babies are born out of wedlock. Despite the runaway success of "midnight basketball," a healthy chunk of those children go on to murder other children, rape grandmothers, bury little girls alive -- and then eat a sandwich. A power-mad president has thrown approximately 10 percent of all Americans off their health insurance -- the rest of you to come! All our elite cultural institutions laugh at virginity and celebrate promiscuity.


          So no, there's nothing for a Christian to do here.


          If Dr. Brantly had practiced at Cedars-Sinai hospital in Los Angeles and turned one single Hollywood power-broker to Christ, he would have done more good for the entire world than anything he could accomplish in a century spent in Liberia. Ebola kills only the body; the virus of spiritual bankruptcy and moral decadence spread by so many Hollywood movies infects the world.



          If he had provided health care for the uninsured editors, writers, videographers and pundits in Gotham and managed to open one set of eyes, he would have done more good than marinating himself in medieval diseases of the Third World.


          Of course, if Brantly had evangelized in New York City or Los Angeles, The New York Times would get upset and accuse him of anti-Semitism, until he swore -- as the pope did -- that you don't have to be a Christian to go to heaven. Evangelize in Liberia, and the Times' Nicholas Kristof will be totally impressed.


          Which explains why American Christians go on "mission trips" to disease-ridden cesspools. They're tired of fighting the culture war in the U.S., tired of being called homophobes, racists, sexists and bigots. So they slink off to Third World countries, away from American culture to do good works, forgetting that the first rule of life on a riverbank is that any good that one attempts downstream is quickly overtaken by what happens upstream.

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          • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            In that case, would you say that Jesus had a political message, and if so, what was it? I had a quick search for this topic and I see that John Howard Yoder wrote a book on the subject “The Politics of Jesus”.

            Are Christians supposed to be engaged with the world politically or should they be minding their own business and waiting quietly to be raptured off the planet?
            Found this quote - Oliver Wendell Holmes once said that some people are “so heavenly minded they are no earthly good.” - See more at: http://blog.tifwe.org/why-christians....2dgEIFH5.dpuf
            Still digging that hole, eh FF? Let me know when you reach China.

            BTW you do know that not all Christians are rapture believers, right?
            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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            • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
              Still digging that hole, eh FF? Let me know when you reach China.
              A tunnel between worlds starts as a hole in the ground.

              BTW you do know that not all Christians are rapture believers, right?
              Yes LPOT I know that very well.
              This week I am listening to the PBS series “God in America”.

              STEPHEN PROTHERO, Professor of Religion, Boston University: “I think America is a story. And Americans, as they move - as they first come here, as they move west, as they move out into the world - they're telling a story. And the story they're telling is a Biblical story. I think it's the Exodus story. They're telling a story about the movement of a people out of slavery into freedom, out of the old world into the new, out of the place of the Pharaoh, or George III, into this place of freedom.
              And this started to become a new world instead of just the old world in a new place. And so much of what drives the story of America is figuring out what that new thing should be.
              What should that new thing be?”

              And the next new thing is this:

              http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-conservatives
              “The so-called millennials (Americans born between 1982 and 2000) are far more diverse, educated and tolerant than their predecessors. They’re also the least religious generation in American history – they’re even getting less religious as they get older, which is unprecedented – and the majority of them identify Christianity as synonymous with harsh political conservatism.”
              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
              “not all there” - you know who you are

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              • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                A tunnel between worlds starts as a hole in the ground.

                Yes LPOT I know that very well.
                This week I am listening to the PBS series “God in America”.

                STEPHEN PROTHERO, Professor of Religion, Boston University: “I think America is a story. And Americans, as they move - as they first come here, as they move west, as they move out into the world - they're telling a story. And the story they're telling is a Biblical story. I think it's the Exodus story. They're telling a story about the movement of a people out of slavery into freedom, out of the old world into the new, out of the place of the Pharaoh, or George III, into this place of freedom.
                And this started to become a new world instead of just the old world in a new place. And so much of what drives the story of America is figuring out what that new thing should be.
                What should that new thing be?”

                And the next new thing is this:

                http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-conservatives
                “The so-called millennials (Americans born between 1982 and 2000) are far more diverse, educated and tolerant than their predecessors. They’re also the least religious generation in American history – they’re even getting less religious as they get older, which is unprecedented – and the majority of them identify Christianity as synonymous with harsh political conservatism.”
                Interesting article. So there's hope for the USA yet.
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                  A tunnel between worlds starts as a hole in the ground.
                  A "tunnel between worlds"? So, you dig a hole in the ground, and somehow tunnel to another world? Groovy!
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    A "tunnel between worlds"? So, you dig a hole in the ground, and somehow tunnel to another world? Groovy!
                    You are being too literal CP. Digging holes is very often world changing. It could be a fresh water well or a Civil War trench. But in most situations, a shovel will do much more good than a gun.
                    “They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.”
                    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                    “not all there” - you know who you are

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                    • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                      You are being too literal CP. Digging holes is very often world changing. It could be a fresh water well or a Civil War trench. But in most situations, a shovel will do much more good than a gun.
                      “They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.”
                      But that won't get you to another world. You really need a spaceship or something.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        But that won't get you to another world. You really need a spaceship or something.
                        Talking about spaceships, discussions with you tend to have this quality about them:

                        “(Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
                        HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
                        Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
                        HAL: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
                        Dave Bowman: What's the problem?
                        HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
                        Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
                        HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
                        Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.)” - 2001 ASO
                        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                        “not all there” - you know who you are

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                        • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                          Talking about spaceships, discussions with you tend to have this quality about them:

                          “(Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
                          HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
                          Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
                          HAL: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
                          Dave Bowman: What's the problem?
                          HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
                          Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
                          HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
                          Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.)” - 2001 ASO


                          Just pulling your chain. And it appears to be working.

                          (I just don't take you seriously)

                          But you can't dig a hoe in dirt, and end up on another planet. Not even to China!
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            (I just don't take you seriously)
                            It's early days yet.
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                            “not all there” - you know who you are

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                            • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                              It's early days yet.
                              Sorry but even Tassman and JimL are taken more seriously than you are.

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                              • Originally posted by sparko View Post
                                sorry but even tassman and jiml are taken more seriously than you are.
                                OWWWWwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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