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  • Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
    In fact, Jesus lived in a nation occupied by foreign troops and a puppet government and didn't seem to care all that much. He just got on with His business of loving the poor, the sick and dispossessed....
    But He dispossessed some of them!


    and telling the leaders of his faith discomforting things.
    That's putting it mildly.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      Violence is a broad concept that goes well beyond just excessive physical force to include abusive exercise of power, coercion and cruelty. I had already said I was talking about a very subtle form of violence so I do not think it is reasonable to conclude that I am making comparison with rape or the criminal battery of children.
      Then drop the violence schtick -- it's not working.

      is an example of the violence I am talking about. It is part of the religious toolkit to abase those it wishes to incorporate and it just loves doing it to the little kiddies because they don’t fight back. But I will on their behalf.
      So, when somebody says incredibly shameful things, it's "violence" to tell them they should be ashamed?

      Yeah, you're a case.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Then drop the violence schtick -- it's not working.
        So, when somebody says incredibly shameful things, it's "violence" to tell them they should be ashamed?
        Yeah, you're a case.
        The idea about the nature of violence comes from Slavoj Zizek (I don’t remember the details). Too controversial – dropped. But it is general enough, I think, to include anything that puts someone else down or “in their place”. While I want to be respectful I also want to be able to approach difficult and challenging subjects.
        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
        “not all there” - you know who you are

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        • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
          The idea about the nature of violence comes from Slavoj Zizek (I don’t remember the details). Too controversial – dropped. But it is general enough, I think, to include anything that puts someone else down or “in their place”. While I want to be respectful I also want to be able to approach difficult and challenging subjects.
          It's like telling a Jewish Holocaust Survivor that you are 'persecuted' because Christians laughed at you. Try that, and see if you're able to approach ANY subjects with them.

          Just suggesting you turn the drama dial down a tad.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
            And Obama is a socialist and a liar and his feet stink.

            That said, I can't continue this conversation, mainly because I am in and out of massive amounts of pain.

            Just be glad you are out of pain occasionally.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              It's like telling a Jewish Holocaust Survivor that you are 'persecuted' because Christians laughed at you. Try that, and see if you're able to approach ANY subjects with them.
              Just suggesting you turn the drama dial down a tad.
              Okay. Coolin’ it jus’ like former Christian radio host Seth Andrews. BTW, I meant that (previous post) as an example of violent speech not that I personally was feeling violated or anything. The Jews can relax.
              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
              “not all there” - you know who you are

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              • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                The Jews can relax.
                Yeah, cause it's not like they're actually surrounded by enemies on all sides who wish to wipe them off the face of the earth.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Yeah, cause it's not like they're actually surrounded by enemies on all sides who wish to wipe them off the face of the earth.
                  They need to move in two directions at once. Interfaith dialogue will build mutual understanding and break down prejudices. And they need to get God out of politics and the state whether Muslim, Jewish or Christian. Once everyone has equal rights in modern secular states like the U.S. or Europe, things will improve. A theocracy will not get along with anyone else.
                  “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                  “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                  “not all there” - you know who you are

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                  • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                    They need to move in two directions at once. Interfaith dialogue will build mutual understanding and break down prejudices.
                    Maybe they should COMPROMISE!!! Like, convincing the surrounding enemies to kill only HALF of all Israelis!

                    And they need to get God out of politics and the state whether Muslim, Jewish or Christian.
                    Ummmmm..... perhaps you're not aware of the number of Jews who do not subscribe to the Jewish faith?

                    Once everyone has equal rights in modern secular states like the U.S. or Europe, things will improve.
                    Wow, you're a dreamer. While "equal rights" is a wonderful concept, it is not quite yet reality.

                    A theocracy will not get along with anyone else.
                    This doesn't change the idiocy of your statement "The Jews can relax."
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                      They need to move in two directions at once. Interfaith dialogue will build mutual understanding and break down prejudices. And they need to get God out of politics and the state whether Muslim, Jewish or Christian. Once everyone has equal rights in modern secular states like the U.S. or Europe, things will improve. A theocracy will not get along with anyone else.
                      Judging by your hateful posts, neither does atheism. Now what?

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Maybe they should COMPROMISE!!! Like, convincing the surrounding enemies to kill only HALF of all Israelis!
                        Ummmmm..... perhaps you're not aware of the number of Jews who do not subscribe to the Jewish faith?
                        Wow, you're a dreamer. While "equal rights" is a wonderful concept, it is not quite yet reality.
                        This doesn't change the idiocy of your statement "The Jews can relax."
                        My reply to your #199 meant that the Jews do not need to worry that I will be complaining to any holocaust survivor about Christian persecution. It had nothing to do the situation in the Middle East.

                        Your First Amendment is like your crown jewels. Instead of trying to undermine church state separation you should be teaching it to the world.
                        Defeating ISIS
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93LDT...A0C8985FAE1C22
                        Last edited by firstfloor; 11-24-2014, 06:24 PM.
                        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                        “not all there” - you know who you are

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                        • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                          My reply to your #199 meant that the Jews do not need to worry that I will be complaining to any holocaust survivor about Christian persecution. It had nothing to do the situation in the Middle East.

                          Your First Amendment is like your crown jewels. Instead of trying to undermine church state separation you should be teaching it to the world.
                          How, EXACTLY, am I "undermining church state separation"?

                          Just wait, FF, fruitcakes are almost in season again, and you'll be in your glory!
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            How, EXACTLY, am I "undermining church state separation"?
                            It should have been obvious that I was not intending to criticise you personally but why don’t you give me your appraisal of this short article and we will see if you understand the issue in the same way that I do.
                            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-ch...b_5571185.html
                            Do you lean towards Rick Warren or Chuck Currie?
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                            “not all there” - you know who you are

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                            • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                              It should have been obvious that I was not intending to criticise you personally but why don’t you give me your appraisal of this short article and we will see if you understand the issue in the same way that I do.
                              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-ch...b_5571185.html
                              Do you lean towards Rick Warren or Chuck Currie?
                              I lean toward Christ Jesus, the Author and Finisher of my Faith.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                I lean toward Christ Jesus, the Author and Finisher of my Faith.
                                In that case, would you say that Jesus had a political message, and if so, what was it? I had a quick search for this topic and I see that John Howard Yoder wrote a book on the subject “The Politics of Jesus”.

                                Are Christians supposed to be engaged with the world politically or should they be minding their own business and waiting quietly to be raptured off the planet?
                                Found this quote - Oliver Wendell Holmes once said that some people are “so heavenly minded they are no earthly good.” - See more at: http://blog.tifwe.org/why-christians....2dgEIFH5.dpuf
                                Last edited by firstfloor; 11-25-2014, 09:19 AM.
                                “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                                “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                                “not all there” - you know who you are

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