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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post“I felt violated; I felt forced,” – Hibbs.
No one is forcing Hibbs to have an abortion.
And insurance is not abortion either.
If you were really pro-life you would not have armed forces, armed police, contraception or the death penalty.
What you pretend is pro-life is actually anti-feminist.
And the Bible is not against abortion –
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sa.../abortion.html
Womb business is women’s business.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post“I felt violated; I felt forced,” – Hibbs.
No one is forcing Hibbs to have an abortion.
And insurance is not abortion either.
If you were really pro-life you would not have armed forces, armed police, contraception or the death penalty.
What you pretend is pro-life is actually anti-feminist.
And the Bible is not against abortion –
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sa.../abortion.html
Womb business is women’s business.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostWhat you say would be nice if it were the case but you answered your own objection. How about this as a compromise. Churches should provide a record of their finances and should not be taxed on that proportion spent for the public good.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt is being coerced into supporting abortion.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJesus, being Jewish, would disagree with you. Halacha, i.e. Jewish law defines when a fetus becomes a nefesh (person), namely when the head emerges from the womb. Before then, the fetus is considered a 'partial life' and there are several circumstances when abortion is permitted - even mandated in certain limited situations.
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48954946.html
Last edited by JohnnyP; 11-11-2014, 07:02 AM.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post“I felt violated; I felt forced,” – Hibbs.
No one is forcing Hibbs to have an abortion.
And insurance is not abortion either.
If you were really pro-life you would not have armed forces, armed police, contraception or the death penalty.
What you pretend is pro-life is actually anti-feminist.
And the Bible is not against abortion –
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sa.../abortion.html
Womb business is women’s business.
It is saying if God orders the death of fetuses or children, then, therefore , the fetuses and children are not human or persons.
By that logic, non-Christians are not humans or persons.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
and do you suppose the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites (Deuteronomy 20:17) were all fetuses and children ?
....as far as that goes, then even the adults of God's Chosen were not persons/humans either, since God had them killed by the Assyrians, then the Chaldeans, then the Romans...Last edited by jordanriver; 11-11-2014, 07:10 AM.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post“I felt violated; I felt forced,” – Hibbs.
No one is forcing Hibbs to have an abortion.
And insurance is not abortion either.
If you were really pro-life you would not have armed forces, armed police, contraception or the death penalty.
What you pretend is pro-life is actually anti-feminist.
And the Bible is not against abortion –
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sa.../abortion.html
Womb business is women’s business.
It is the taking of innocent human life (and nobody could be more innocent).
Skepticskepticsannotatedbible? Well I see that you are reaching for the pinnacle of scholarship there.
Hoped this help
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostSimilarly, in this case Seer is pointing out, it's a difficult issue. Yes, people ought to defy a law when they find it against their conscious. They should not however accept any government money as a matter of principle if the government has laws to which they object.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostShock! Horror! Organisation that receives tax breaks required to uphold the law!
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Originally posted by seer View PostMore loss of religious liberty!
No one is forcing Hibbs to have an abortion.
And insurance is not abortion either.
If you were really pro-life you would not have armed forces, armed police, contraception or the death penalty.
What you pretend is pro-life is actually anti-feminist.
And the Bible is not against abortion –
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sa.../abortion.html
Womb business is women’s business.Last edited by firstfloor; 11-11-2014, 05:33 AM.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostJesus didn't think much of the Halacha. Not that the article you linked to contradicts the pro-life position much.
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Originally posted by phank View PostAnd here is the sort of brain-dead fanaticism we must deal with in the land of the free. An excellent illustration of why topics like this cannot be discussed rationally, or for that matter discussed at all.
Originally posted by phank View PostBack to the OP, what we have is a California insurance regulation, and a carefully extracted, mindless drooling over-reaction on the part of some religious nitwit. The old saw "I disagree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it", in religious hands, morphs into "I disagree with what you say and I'll kill you if you say it again." Christian tolerance American style is fascinating to behold. So it's entertaining to see another Christian cleric demonstrating Christ's advice to turn the other cheek, American style.
Originally posted by phank View PostIt's no wonder that Americans in a recent poll voted about ten to one that Christ would be appalled if he returned today and saw the vicious intolerance practiced in his name.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostWhat you say would be nice if it were the case but you answered your own objection. How about this as a compromise. Churches should provide a record of their finances and should not be taxed on that proportion spent for the public good.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJesus, being Jewish, would disagree with you. Halacha, i.e. Jewish law defines when a fetus becomes a nefesh (person), namely when the head emerges from the womb. Before then, the fetus is considered a 'partial life' and there are several circumstances when abortion is permitted - even mandated in certain limited situations.
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48954946.html
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