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  • pancreasman
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    Shock! Horror! Organisation that receives tax breaks required to uphold the law!

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  • Teallaura
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    http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/

    On the other hand, ADF's front page has several more on point articles...

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    Which of these things were done by pastors (or anyone else) in defense of Freedom of Religion?
    That's a fair distinction.

    What Christian churches or organizations have supported these things?
    In principle no Christian group could support this without making themselves enemies of Christ and seriously jeopardizing their salvation. I am also not aware of any Christian group who have advocated these things explicitly.

    Non Christians (or even stupid Christians) are prone to behavior that is not Christian.
    Why point out the non-Christians? I thought we were talking about Christians embarking on actively breaking the law. The situation is different in my country Jedidiah, the only way I can avoid funding abortion here, is by actively opting out of paying my taxes, and I'm not allowed to do that. The position of the Catholic Church here is that in paying taxes, I do not support abortion, since I'm not in control over how the money is spent. There are no pro-life candidates to vote for at all.

    So here its a matter of "Render unto Caesar", and I'd be going against God's will be refusing to recognize the authority of the state.

    Hopefully you guys won't end up in the same position.

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  • Jedidiah
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    The answer is 'already have'. Abortion doctor murders, vandalists smashing cars, gluing together doors of abortion clinics, death threats, throwing bricks through windows... very unchristian behavior.
    Which of these things were done by pastors (or anyone else) in defense of Freedom of Religion? What Christian churches or organizations have supported these things? Non Christians (or even stupid Christians) are prone to behavior that is not Christian.

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    No, the IRS has nothing to do with this. They will be violating state law not federal. So the state will decide the punishment.
    Thank you, it was hard for me to see this. Its going to be interesting to see what will happen from this.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    I doubt they'll be arrested if they refuse to pay, the IRS will simple remove the tax-exemption status.
    No, the IRS has nothing to do with this. They will be violating state law not federal. So the state will decide the punishment.

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Will the pastors not be violating California law?
    I doubt they'll be arrested if they refuse to pay, the IRS will simple remove the tax-exemption status.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Considering what's legal grounds for arrest today, what would that be seer?
    Will the pastors not be violating California law?

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Well that is why I use the question mark in the title. I think these pastors are prepared to take it that far though.
    Considering what's legal grounds for arrest today, what would that be seer?

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
    In that case, the answer to his question is, "No."
    Why? The state is going to force the issue. If not jail time then certainly there will be heavy fines. Either way it is wicked and a clear loss of liberty.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Your thread titles are getting somewhat misleading seer. Where did the pastor face these things? He's saying he'll fight even if it means going to jail (which its left somewhat ambigious) but has he been threatened with that?

    Even if he hasn't, I'd say that there are things he could do in an attempt to defend the unborn that would warrant that he get himself arrested.

    All that being said, forcing people to pay for other people's abortions is horrible. I agree with that.
    Well that is why I use the question mark in the title. I think these pastors are prepared to take it that far though.

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by Paprika View Post
    Fixed.
    The answer is 'already have'. Abortion doctor murders, vandalists smashing cars, gluing together doors of abortion clinics, death threats, throwing bricks through windows... very unchristian behavior.

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  • Paprika
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    Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
    In that case, the answer to his question is, "No Not yet."
    Fixed.

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  • Boxing Pythagoras
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    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
    He did use a question mark...
    In that case, the answer to his question is, "No."

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  • Teallaura
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    He did use a question mark...

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