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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    No, that was one of three footnotes dealing with a claim that wasn't contended. You didn't claim, let alone demonstrate, that the citations for the actual contended claim (what Obama did as a community organizer after college) were in error or poor sources.

    Lazy criticism was the term I used and that charge still stands.
    OK, so this wonderful community organizer who healed the planet and fixed all the financial woes ---- why did his own party members running for office bring him in to campaign for them? Why did they run from him like a scalded dog?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sam View Post
      Indeed. But it doesn't give us much of a clue as to the lack of motivation; certainly nothing we can draw a mandate from. Polling policy proposals still skews liberal. Those looking to draw a policy prescription from this 2014 Republican wave are facing strong headwinds.
      So, why do fully two thirds of the country think we're headed in the wrong direction with Obama at the helm?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by phank View Post
        There remains a serious image problem, and for this you must give Republicans credit, because they have been working on that since day one. The strategy is simple: vote often unanimously against every proposal (even if it's a plank of your own party platform), then blame Obama for not doing anything. It works
        Perhaps you forgot that Obama had both houses of Congress when he started, and farted them away because he was only interested in his own politics.

        His image problem is of his own making -- he's a narcissistic egotist.

        He HAS, however, managed to dupe a number of less discerning people into believing it's all the Republicans' fault.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
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          Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
          Hee hee. Y'all just can't get over the fact that the public just swept the Democrats out of office, can you?
          FIFY

          That comic perfectly captures the bitterness of the left after last night. Good job.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Perhaps you forgot that Obama had both houses of Congress when he started, and farted them away because he was only interested in his own politics.

            His image problem is of his own making -- he's a narcissistic egotist.

            He HAS, however, managed to dupe a number of less discerning people into believing it's all the Republicans' fault.
            Obama had a super-majority in the Senate for 26 weeks between June 2009 and February 2010. Long before that, he faced virtually unanimous Republican opposition and was definitely limited by the filibuster. And during the filibuster-proof 26 weeks, Obama mainly focused on gathering GOP votes for health reform from senators who were willing to work with Democrats . . . until McConnell explicitly decided to whip for full Republican obstruction.

            If you revise history, you'll never learn anything.
            "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Perhaps you forgot that Obama had both houses of Congress when he started, and farted them away because he was only interested in his own politics.

              His image problem is of his own making -- he's a narcissistic egotist.

              He HAS, however, managed to dupe a number of less discerning people into believing it's all the Republicans' fault.
              Precisely. He had a comfortable majority in the House, a filibuster-proof Senate and a sycophant press falling over themselves praising him. A situation any president would give an arm for. But all you hear is whining about Republican "obstructionism."

              This also overlooks the fact that a competent president still gets stuff he wants done even when both branches of the legislature is controlled by the opposition.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                OK, so this wonderful community organizer who healed the planet and fixed all the financial woes ---- why did his own party members running for office bring him in to campaign for them? Why did they run from him like a scalded dog?
                Because Republicans were trying to nationalize the 2014 elections and Democrats were trying to localize them. Obviously, trying to run from a politician who is still much more popular with the coalition than Congress wasn't such a hot idea.
                "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Precisely. He had a comfortable majority in the House, a filibuster-proof Senate and a sycophant press falling over themselves praising him. A situation any president would give an arm for. But all you hear is whining about Republican "obstructionism."

                  This also overlooks the fact that a competent president still gets stuff he wants done even when both branches of the legislature is controlled by the opposition.
                  He had a filibuster-proof Senate majority for 26 weeks. And he didn't try to "ram things through" with it; most of the time was spent pitching the ACA and trying to get a bipartisan vote.

                  A competent president gets stuff done when the opposition chooses to work with the president. Mitch McConnell's explicit #1 job was "to make Obama a one term president" and he led Republicans -- even those who had professed agreement with the president's initiatives before -- to unify in opposition. In the House, Ryan and Cantor persuaded Boehner to nuke the Grand Bargain, thinking they'd get a better deal with a Republican president in 2012 and that a deal would signal cooperation.

                  It's a pretty lame trick to take the explicitly obstructionist battleplan of the 2009-2014 GOP and make it disappear.
                  "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    I've seen several businesses brought down by incompetence. Governments in other countries have in the past been brought down through incompetence. We are not exempt.
                    Obama has done more than lack competence.
                    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
                      Hee hee. Y'all just can't get over the fact he won two elections, can you?
                      Yeah, it really hard to swallow the fact that Americans are as stupid as that. Especially the second election.
                      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sam View Post
                        Because Republicans were trying to nationalize the 2014 elections and Democrats were trying to localize them. Obviously, trying to run from a politician who is still much more popular with the coalition than Congress wasn't such a hot idea.
                        And the exact reverse was true in 2006 when the Republicans tried to distance themselves from an increasingly unpopular president while the Democrats ran against Bush and his policies and tried to portray their opponents as rubber stamps for Bush.

                        And what did you expect from the Republicans when Obama made it crystal clear that he did not need to or want to talk to them. He said it was useless because they were too extreme while simultaneously offering to open up talks with America's enemies (obviously because they were more reasonable than the Republicans).

                        About the only time he did talk to them it was to deliver a sneering lecture about how he won and elections have consequences. Obama and the Democrats in the House and Senate refused to consider a single Republican proposal during the first two years. And after the Republican landslide in 2010 Obama had to ask his aides if they knew how to contact the incoming Republican leadership because he never talked to them before. Bob Woodward detailed a lot of this in his book.

                        And yet after this you act like you expected the Republicans to come in on bended knee begging for an opportunity to help Obama push through his agenda. In fact many in the press complained about just that. They were outraged that they weren't bending over backwards to help "fix" Obamacare -- legislation that not a single one of them supported and campaigned on a promise of working to repeal it.
                        Last edited by rogue06; 11-05-2014, 10:43 PM.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          just swept the Democrats out of office ...

                          FIFY
                          Umm, dude, somehow missed who's still in the White House?

                          Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
                          Hee hee. Y'all just can't get over the fact he won two elections, can you?
                          Y'all do it to yourselves. Srsly.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sam View Post
                            Because Republicans were trying to nationalize the 2014 elections and Democrats were trying to localize them. Obviously, trying to run from a politician who is still much more popular with the coalition than Congress wasn't such a hot idea.
                            Er, the president his own party was running from was doing his damndest to nationalize the elections and make them a referendum on his policies. Well, he got his referendum.
                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              Er, the president his own party was running from was doing his damndest to nationalize the elections and make them a referendum on his policies. Well, he got his referendum.
                              No, that was my original point. Given that the make-up of the 2012 election was more representative of American demographics than the 2014 election, it's very hard to turn this into a "referendum election." Maybe it's a referendum from the over-60 white male demographic, though . . .
                              "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                FIFY

                                That comic perfectly captures the bitterness of the left after last night. Good job.
                                Yeah, pretty much.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                                I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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