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  • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    It is only charity if it was voluntary. Giving out of obligation is just another word for taxation.
    Is charity important because it allows rich people to feel good about themselves, or because it helps the poor to survive?
    Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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    • Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
      Is charity important because it allows rich people to feel good about themselves, or because it helps the poor to survive?
      You seem to have a fascination with the false dichotomy. And, is that ALL we want the poor to do --- survive?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
        Is charity important because it allows rich people to feel good about themselves, or because it helps the poor to survive?
        One of the purposes of charity is to cover a multitude of sins.
        (1 Peter 4:8 KJV) (8) And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Paprika View Post
          So, with regards to avarice...
          I believe I answered that in that very post. If you have a question, ask it.
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            You seem to have a fascination with the false dichotomy. And, is that ALL we want the poor to do --- survive?
            It's a sort of sine qua non, isn't it? If they don't survive, the rest of it hardly matters.

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            • Originally posted by phank View Post
              It's a sort of sine qua non, isn't it? If they don't survive, the rest of it hardly matters.
              Well, there's THAT!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                That reminds me of the trend among many schools to require students to do volunteer work. If it is required then it can hardly be considered volunteering.
                The Air Force does the same thing for performance reports. Volunteer work pretty much becomes a bullet point on your performance report. Doesn't sound much like charity or volunteer to me, thus the popular 'voluntold' saying.
                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                • Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                  Is charity important because it allows rich people to feel good about themselves, or because it helps the poor to survive?
                  Either/or fallacy. The answer could be both or neither.
                  "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                  GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                  • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    The Air Force does the same thing for performance reports. Volunteer work pretty much becomes a bullet point on your performance report. Doesn't sound much like charity or volunteer to me, thus the popular 'voluntold' saying.
                    What is the word for being forced to work for others without compensation?

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                      You made a claim-- can you back it up? If you go to McDonalds and spend $5 on lunch, how much of that goes to the guy behind the counter who took your order? The lady who prepared it? The teenager manning the other register?
                      I'm making my argument based on minimum wage increase models that show a small increase in cost for a significant pay raise. In terms of evidence, these two studies are typical of the sorts of models I've seen.

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        around 30% of the cost is labor. That's like $1.50 of labor for a $5 burger. Double the wage and you will also have to up the taxes and such so it would probably end up costing $4 of labor per $5 burger. Not very negligible at all.
                        The cost of operation, not the cost of product. As far as I know there is no model that breaks down the cost of an individual good.

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          What is the word for being forced to work for others without compensation?
                          That thing some people seem to think rich people need to do? I've always wondered why some people seem to think they have the knowledge and ability to tell other people what to do with their money...
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                          • Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                            Is charity important because it allows rich people to feel good about themselves, or because it helps the poor to survive?
                            Charity is important for a Christian because the Lord Himself commanded it of us. It is wholly unnecessary for non-Christian business owners, they have absolutely ZERO obligation to obey any request for non-self initiated charity, and we have no command from the Lord to force charity on others. It has nothing at all to do with feeling good or survival. While those are possible outcomes, our command to be charitable is out of obedience to Christ, not out of arrogance or pity.
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              What is the word for being forced to work for others without compensation?
                              Moderator?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                                The cost of operation, not the cost of product. As far as I know there is no model that breaks down the cost of an individual good.
                                Y'all are spending too much time on the percentage of a market good attributable to the cost of labor. Rather ponder the plight of the people who are judged to be too unproductive to justify minimum wages. Teen unemployment tend to rise with wage-floor raises. How does 30% in some nations grab ya? How would you feel if you are turned down time after time because the minimum wage is $50/hour? (If you do earn more than that, well, please try your best to imagine the plight of unemployed people who want jobs.) :woeful:
                                The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                                [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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