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Originally posted by seer View PostSure, as did David who committed murder and adultery. As did Moses who disobeyed God. In other words just because men do things in scripture does not mean that God condones it.βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostOf course not, but in the cases of David and Solomon you would have biblical authors condoning and even practicing polygamy. So would 'the' biblical view of marriage be that of Moses, David, Solomon, the actual authors of these books, or just the interpretation of Jesus who did not author any books of the Bible?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostOf course not, but in the cases of David and Solomon you would have biblical authors condoning and even practicing polygamy. So would 'the' biblical view of marriage be that of Moses, David, Solomon, the actual authors of these books, or just the interpretation of Jesus who did not author any books of the Bible?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by seer View PostAre you suggesting that these authors never did anything that displeased God?
Originally posted by seer View PostDid God ever explicitly condone polygamy?βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostOf course not, but in the cases of David and Solomon you would have biblical authors condoning and even practicing polygamy. So would 'the' biblical view of marriage be that of Moses, David, Solomon, the actual authors of these books, or just the interpretation of Jesus who did not author any books of the Bible?I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostMoses and David both committed murder. Hosea married a prostitute. Their actions do not mean that they were biblical.βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI'm a little confused at what you're saying here...if you don't mind my asking, what is your position on polygamy and the Bible?βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThere is no such disease as homophobia!!! What the hell happened to you Spartacus?
These are things that happen. They may not be things any of us have done or are even indirectly responsible for, but we have to deal with their effects nonetheless.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYes, and if you supported traditional marriage, for any reason, even legitimate reasons, you are labeled homophobic.
And yet the first response is to suspect us of homophobia. Why? Because so many LGBT people have experienced various forms of rejection on account of sexual preferences-- something over which they do not exercise anything like direct control. I've learned that the best way to defuse these extreme reactions is not to deny that they have experienced this rejection (commonly understood as the result of this vaguely defined thing called homophobia), but rather to know how to properly distance ourselves from it. Trying to deny that the rejection exists only makes it worse: you have to defuse the landmine, you can't just dance around it.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostThere was a time when I would have objected to the term-- it's certainly not the same as arachnophobia, etc--
but I've found it to be a convenient shorthand for "prejudice and violence directed against LGBT persons,"
which includes those phenomena observable in families that unilaterally disown or reject any child who happens to be gay
and in Christian organizations such as schools that would refuse to consider hiring anyone who openly identifies as gay, regardless of whether they're committed to celibacy.
These are things that happen. They may not be things any of us have done or are even indirectly responsible for, but we have to deal with their effects nonetheless.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostAnd what do you call prejudice directed against traditional marriage proponents?
"b..b..but I don't hate heterosexuals..."
Watch the irony pour off in waves."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI've seen families disown children for their choice in a mate, for alcoholism, smoking marijuana, etc, yet we see no thunderous denunciation from the left with a term that is normally reserved for a clinical diagnosis.
And Cerebrum, you should be ashamed of yourself for publicly endorsing that argument.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWhich means that it is basically belittling those legitimate phobias. And to be blunt, it literally means fear of "the same."
And what do you call prejudice directed against traditional marriage proponents?
I've seen families disown children for their choice in a mate, for alcoholism, smoking marijuana, etc, yet we see no thunderous denunciation from the left with a term that is normally reserved for a clinical diagnosis. It's not fear, nor is it irrational. It is sticking to a standard of behavior consistent with the family's morals and values.
How is pushing a teenager out on their own with no financial or emotional support (for no reason other than their admission that they are attracted to people of the same sex) consistent with any decent morals or values?
I would hope so. Jesus DOES change lives if we allow Him, does He not?Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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