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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    ANY door is easy to refit --- it's the LOCKSET, not the whole door.



    And that's no problem at all... "panic hardware" is available for any door, and opens at the push from inside, while being securely locked from outside. The idea that they would have to "fumble with a key" is silly, for the very "fire codes" you mention.... "the opening of the door from the inside shall not require the use of a key".
    Oh, cool - never seen one like that.

    And the fire codes I referenced specify that doors open outward (so people can get out). Still an issue if the problem is getting in - though not as bad as a commercial door would be.


    Originally posted by CP
    That's why you leave one guard inside.
    And hope he doesn't have to go potty...


    Originally posted by CP
    Yeah, I ARE one --- I believe in eating flesh, drinking blood, and dead people coming back to life!
    SEE!!!!


    Hey, waitaminute...
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
      This may be a dumb question, but has it been established what this guy was trying to do? I guess I'm surprised that all of the attention is on the Secret Service's screwup (which deserves attention), rather than on the guy who broke in with apparently violent intentions.

      Oh, this is soooo yesterday's news. Now they found a guy with a gun who was in the elevator with the President...

      You can't make this stuff up!
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      • #18
        Well the good news is that if Obama turns out to be the anti-christ totalitarian dictator after all, he won't last long with his security detail.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
          This may be a dumb question, but has it been established what this guy was trying to do? I guess I'm surprised that all of the attention is on the Secret Service's screwup (which deserves attention), rather than on the guy who broke in with apparently violent intentions.
          I'd like to know that too. I saw some report that said he had a bunch of weapons in his car but hadn't heard anything else on that.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            Oh, this is soooo yesterday's news. Now they found a guy with a gun who was in the elevator with the President...

            You can't make this stuff up!
            That was post #12.
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            • #21
              So, the guy with the gun in the elevator with Obama was, apparently, a security guard who had a criminal background. Doesn't THAT give ya the warm fuzzies? And, supposedly, the only reason they discovered this was because the guy wouldn't stop taking pictures, and he annoyed the secret service guys. Other than that, Mrs Lincoln.....
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              • #22
                Secret Service Director has resigned. She should NEVER have been in that position in the first place. This is a classic example of the Organizer in Chief putting ideology over national security, or even his OWN security.
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                • #23
                  Source: NYT

                  WASHINGTON — Julia Pierson, the director of the Secret Service, is resigning in the wake of several security breaches, according to administration officials.

                  The resignation came less than a day after lawmakers from both parties assailed Ms. Pierson’s leadership and said they feared for the lives of the president and others in the protection of the agency.

                  A 30-year veteran of the Secret Service, Ms. Pierson was supposed to have been the one to repair the agency’s reputation after scandals that raised questions about a culture that gave rise to incidents involving drinking and prostitution during overseas trips.

                  But her tenure has been rocked by more serious allegations that her agents and officers have not been performing their primary job competently. Under intense questioning on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, Ms. Pierson admitted that those charged with securing the White House had failed to follow numerous security protocols, allowing a man armed with a knife to penetrate deep inside the mansion.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Secret Service Director has resigned. She should NEVER have been in that position in the first place. This is a classic example of the Organizer in Chief putting ideology over national security, or even his OWN security.
                    She was a PC appointee put into the position after the Colombian prostitution scandal who had the complete support of Obama all the way right up until she went under the bus

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      So, the guy with the gun in the elevator with Obama was, apparently, a security guard who had a criminal background. Doesn't THAT give ya the warm fuzzies? And, supposedly, the only reason they discovered this was because the guy wouldn't stop taking pictures, and he annoyed the secret service guys. Other than that, Mrs Lincoln.....
                      This is just getting weirder...
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        This is just getting weirder...
                        Yup.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          This is just getting weirder...
                          And per my Washington Post Express this morning, one reason she was perceived as failing was that she claimed she'd learned some things about her agency from reading the Washington Post. If only the Commander in Chief held himself to the same standard. . . .
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                          • #28
                            The problems at the Secret Service did NOT start when "a woman" took charge...

                            Source: Washington Post

                            If the fence jumping wasn’t enough to dirty the agency’s reputation, details of a fumbled response to a 2011 shooting, first disclosed by my colleague Carol Leonnig, certainly were. That drew much of the committee’s attention.

                            In that case, which occurred before Pierson became director, the Secret Service didn’t even know a White House window had been hit by gunfire until days later.

                            Rep. John L. Mica (R-Fla.) suggested the Secret Service could learn from home security companies. “Have you ever heard of these guys?” he asked, holding up the ADT logo.

                            The top Democrat on the committee was in no joking mood about the shots that hit the White House.

                            “What concerns me most about this report is that agents said they were hesitant to raise security concerns with their supervisors,” Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland said. “There’s a problem of trust.”

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                            The work culture was going to pot before Pierson took over, and there were plenty of problems under Mark Sullivan. This in no way relieves Pierson of responsibility -- it's, IMOHBA opinion, yet another example of the buffoonery of the Community Organizer in Chief who hasn't got a clue how to run a business, a government, or a koolaid stand.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              The problems at the Secret Service did NOT start when "a woman" took charge...

                              Source: Washington Post

                              If the fence jumping wasn’t enough to dirty the agency’s reputation, details of a fumbled response to a 2011 shooting, first disclosed by my colleague Carol Leonnig, certainly were. That drew much of the committee’s attention.

                              In that case, which occurred before Pierson became director, the Secret Service didn’t even know a White House window had been hit by gunfire until days later.

                              Rep. John L. Mica (R-Fla.) suggested the Secret Service could learn from home security companies. “Have you ever heard of these guys?” he asked, holding up the ADT logo.

                              The top Democrat on the committee was in no joking mood about the shots that hit the White House.

                              “What concerns me most about this report is that agents said they were hesitant to raise security concerns with their supervisors,” Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland said. “There’s a problem of trust.”

                              © Copyright Original Source



                              The work culture was going to pot before Pierson took over, and there were plenty of problems under Mark Sullivan. This in no way relieves Pierson of responsibility -- it's, IMOHBA opinion, yet another example of the buffoonery of the Community Organizer in Chief who hasn't got a clue how to run a business, a government, or a koolaid stand.
                              If their work culture is so degraded that the men (and women) manning the front lines are discouraged from raising security concerns, then they've got problems that a new Director won't be able to fix. It's going to require an overhaul in mindset from the first-line supervisors on up. They'll probably need to start axing other high level management, too. Be interesting to see if anything of the sort happens.
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                              • #30
                                I think it's to Obama's credit that he doesn't dump staff the instant things go wrong. Unfortunately, he doesn't do it when he needs to, either.
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