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  • #16
    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    So "they" did, in fact, own it.
    No they didn't. The Palestinians see themselves as distinct from other Arabs. And they never owned it. And remember even when Jordan had the West Bank and Egypt had Gaza they never allowed the Palestinians to have their own state - even though they wanted it.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      No they didn't. The Palestinians see themselves as distinct from other Arabs.And they never owned it.
      Distinct in what way? Technically, the Palestinians are just Jews who converted to Islam and ethnically are more Jewish than most of the European Jews who migrated to Israel in the last century. By that distinction they did, in fact, own it.

      And remember even when Jordan had the West Bank and Egypt had Gaza they never allowed the Palestinians to have their own state - even though they wanted it.
      I guess they didn't see any distinction.
      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
        Distinct in what way? Technically, the Palestinians are just Jews who converted to Islam and ethnically are more Jewish than most of the European Jews who migrated to Israel in the last century. By that distinction they did, in fact, own it.
        I suspect that most Semitic tribes are interrelated to some degree. So? The religion and identity are completely different.

        I guess they didn't see any distinction.
        Nonsense, both the Arabs in general and the Palestinians saw themselves as distinct and the Palestinians were seeking a state from the early 1900s.

        Let me ask you Darth - should the Jews be allowed to have a state in Palestine?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #19
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          I suspect that most Semitic tribes are interrelated to some degree. So?
          They're not merely interrelated, they're the direct descendants of ancient Jews whereas the European Jews who moved to Israel have a lot of European admixture thrown in (and thus aren't pure ethnic Jews).

          The religion and identity are completely different.
          Being Jewish is an ethnicity first and a religion a distant second. Israel largely concerns itself with the former.

          Nonsense, both the Arabs in general and the Palestinians saw themselves as distinct and the Palestinians were seeking a state from the early 1900s.
          Again, distinct in what way?

          Let me ask you Darth - should the Jews be allowed to have a state in Palestine?
          Of course. And every Jew should be encouraged to move there. I would further like to encourage all Muslims to move to their various Middle Eastern homelands and all atheists to move to their North Korean homeland.
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
            Again, distinct in what way?
            I don't know ask them.


            Of course. And every Jew should be encouraged to move there. I would further like to encourage all Muslims to move to their various Middle Eastern homelands and all atheists to move to their North Korean homeland.
            So you don't want Jews in the United States?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              So you don't want Jews in the United States?
              I don't want liberals and socialists in the United States. That includes the overwhelming majority of Jews. If they're otherwise indistinguishable from the rest of the population (like the US Jewish population was before they got overrun by Trotskyite scum) then I don't really care.
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                I don't want liberals and socialists in the United States. That includes the overwhelming majority of Jews. If they're otherwise indistinguishable from the rest of the population (like the US Jewish population was before they got overrun by Trotskyite scum) then I don't really care.
                what do you care? You are Canadian

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  what do you care? You are Canadian
                  If Canada was a superpower I wouldn't care as much but for better or worse the US is the "leader of the free world" and I don't want a corrupt, decadent leader.
                  "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                  There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                    If Canada was a superpower I wouldn't care as much but for better or worse the US is the "leader of the free world" and I don't want a corrupt, decadent leader.
                    Too late.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                      I don't want liberals and socialists in the United States. That includes the overwhelming majority of Jews. If they're otherwise indistinguishable from the rest of the population (like the US Jewish population was before they got overrun by Trotskyite scum) then I don't really care.
                      Then you do not know enough Jews, yes the high profile, Hollywood types, are liberal and they can go. But I have known quote a few conservative Jews - one of my favorite talk show hosts is Mark Levin.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        what do you care? You are Canadian
                        Baby seals should get their own homeland where they will no longer be attacked by bloodthirsty Canuckistanis


                        I'm always still in trouble again

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          Then you do not know enough Jews, yes the high profile, Hollywood types, are liberal and they can go. But I have known quote a few conservative Jews - one of my favorite talk show hosts is Mark Levin.
                          Anecdotes are useless, just look at actual statistics and how they vote.
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Baby seals should get their own homeland where they will no longer be attacked by bloodthirsty Canuckistanis

                            No place on earth is safe from Mossy's pin.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                              Distinct in what way? Technically, the Palestinians are just Jews who converted to Islam and ethnically are more Jewish than most of the European Jews who migrated to Israel in the last century. By that distinction they did, in fact, own it.
                              From that article:
                              So that's the good news. Jews and Palestinian Arabs are blood brothers - although this close genetic relationship [B probably stems from pre-Judaic times, rather than any more recent conversion of Palestinian Jews to Islam[/B].
                              Anyway, without getting into the whole "nature/nurture" argument, genetics doesn't have much of an impact on beliefs and attitudes.

                              MYTH 1: ISRAEL OCCUPIES ARAB PALESTINE

                              This is a genocidal claim made by the Muslim Students Association and other pro-Arab groups. It is genocidal because it obliterates the Jewish state. If Israel is actually “Occupied Palestine” then there is no legitimate Jewish state in the middle east.

                              Since Roman times when the Philistines inhabited the region around the Jordan (hence the name “Palestine”) there has never been a political entity – neither a province nor a state – called “Palestine” and no one claimed there was until well after the United Nations created Israel in 1948. The land on which Israel was created by the U.N. was also used by the colonial powers to create Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Jordan. It was land that had belonged to Turkey for 400 years. The Turks are not “Palestinians” and are not even arabs.

                              There never was an Arab country called “Palestine” or inhabited by “Palestinians.” Before the creation of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, which was sixteen years after the birth of Israel, no Arab political entity was called by that name.
                              http://www.wall-of-truth.org/myths/

                              Disclaimer: I know nothing about this outfit. I just did a search and ran across it.


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by moreta View Post
                                From that article:
                                Yes, what about it?

                                Anyway, without getting into the whole "nature/nurture" argument, genetics doesn't have much of an impact on beliefs and attitudes.
                                They do have an impact on who is and isn't a Jew.

                                Disclaimer: I know nothing about this outfit. I just did a search and ran across it.
                                I don't actually care who owned it before, I'm only talking about it because Seer thinks it's important for whatever reason. I think Israel is entitled to Israel because it was granted to them by the previous owner. I don't acnowledge Jewish claims to the land as belonging to them for any other reason. I don't even consider most modern Jews to be actual Jews considering how little regard they have for their own religion and only call them jews because that's what they are known as.
                                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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