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βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostGood of you to finally admit that!
You really don't understand basic fundamentals of law -- which is why YOU would have had all those Bundy supporters "in jail right now"!
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostThe second one that was released was "heavily redacted" so we cannot say how much detail or what details were included.
I know of no one here who ever said that a fleeing felon in and of itself is justification for the use of deadly force. Certainly, I never said that so this sounds like a bit of a strawman.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostSo now you seem to at least be conceding that he might have made this claim following the incident and not two weeks later. The only other possibility is that the investigating officer or someone else made up this claim on his behalf, again, following the incident and not two weeks later. So your whole "two weeks after the event" bit is just a red herring. Still waiting for your evidence that he never filed an incident report.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLink please. The heavily re-dacted one of which you speak did not come from Ferguson PD or Wilson, it came from the County who didn't arrive on the scene for some 45 minutes after the fact.
On the same day, it was reported by NBC:
Critics and news media outlets have questioned why Ferguson police released an incident report from a robbery in which Brown was a suspect, as well as security video showing the robbery, but not the report on the shooting of the unarmed 18-year-old a short time later by Officer Darren Wilson.
The reason, according to the office of St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch, is that it doesn’t exist.
The St. Louis County police department presumably did file an incident report, but any such documents will not be made public until a grand jury investigating the officer-involved shooting concludes its investigation, according to officials from the office who briefed NBC News on the case.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mic...report-n186431
Originally posted by JimL View PostThat is what the whole shooting in the back of a fleeing suspect argument is all about. Is it legally justifiable simply because he is a felon. No, it isn't.βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAlready gave you the evidence, an incident report detailing the event was never filed by Wilson. Claims made by the investigating officers is not an incident report. The 2 weeks after the event has to do with the actual release of a blank incident report. If it is blank, then it is not an incident report.βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThen stop insinuating that the fact that you think he was a gang member is relevant!"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostMy argument is that armed police should use the same tactics unarmed police use when dealing with unarmed assailants. I don't see how what you said is relevant.
- IF Wilson knew that Brown just engaged in a strong arm robbery
- IF Brown had physically assaulted Wilson to the extent described in the press
- IF Brown had tried to take Wilson's sidearm
- IF Brown was charging back toward Wilson
All of these contentions are disputable but if true then all bets are off especially when dealing with a 6.4' 300 lb. man.
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I'm a 5'4", never-you-mind, woman and I wouldn't wait to see what the guy was gonna do once he started charging from only little more than ten yards away. I can cover that distance quickly - he's gonna cover it a LOT more quickly - waiting is suicide."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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I'm 5'16"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Psychic MissileWow, that's a significant typo! Sorry! I did mean "always".
I assume your brother was carrying a gun at the time, in which case even if I did argue that a police officer should be willing to use a gun against a single unarmed assailant, it wouldn't have mattered in this situation.
2. It was a domestic dispute, so he did not draw his gun. A man and his wife were arguing with each other and they were there to break it up. IF he had drawn his gun, people like you would have complained against an excessive show of force, but my brother would not have been attacked and almost die.
3. The guy was unarmed and almost killed him, and that shows that an unarmed criminal does present a danger to the life of a police officer or other people.
4. I believe my brother's partner did draw his gun and that is when the guy ran off.
and you also mentioned tasers and pepper spray in one of your posts.
tasers have a very limited range, they have very little accuracy and would not be useful in a situation where someone is rushing the cop. They are usually used when the suspect is standing still, but threatening harm to others, or even himself. They also have to penetrate the clothes which doesn't always work. and they don't always stop someone, especially if they have a lot of adrenaline in their system. It basically causes muscles to seize up. Not all muscles either, it depends where the taser hits. and as soon as the officer stops the electricity, the person gets instant control back. It doesn't knock people out like on TV.
Pepper spray is even worse. It doesn't affect everyone, some are immune. It just burns your eyes, so it has to reach the eyes. Spraying anywhere else doesnt work. Many people can still function even with the burning. It is very inaccurate, and the officer could end up getting it in his own eyes and be even more defenseless.Last edited by Sparko; 08-31-2014, 01:55 PM.
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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostDon't you mean 4' 28" ?
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostDon't you mean 4' 28" ?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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