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Texas Governor Perry Indicted
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The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI'm not arguing equivalency - the opposite, actually, Once a precedent is set everybody gets to play.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWhich makes Perry's actions really, really weird form an outside POV - why not take on the agency's existence rather than make it about one official?"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThink about it... this is ALLEGEDLY a "Public Integrity Unit", which is supposed to police misconduct in Texas government... What politician in his right mind (not that Perry is) wants to be known for shutting down the agency that polices him?
The smart ones do what we did in Alabama - set up an Ethics Commission (preferable putting teeth in then and not 25 years later like we did... ). To take out the tiger first clip his claws. Literally, not a good idea; politically, pretty much soup du jour."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostBecause he can't...it's a Travis County agency, not a State Agency, so he did what he could, he defunded it...."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostBecause he can't...it's a Travis County agency, not a State Agency, so he did what he could, he defunded it....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, here's the thing - he used funding as a blackmail weapon to remove an official
- he didn't merely defund a rogue agency.
The former is an abuse of power and a bad precedent to set;
the latter is part of what the danged line item veto exists for.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSure, but what precedent was set? He used his constitutional authority to veto the expenditure of funds. It's part of his job, and the legislature has the option of trying to override the veto.
If the Republicans don't have the political gumption to tackle the agency they really shouldn't be making attacks on individuals - that's just as bad as what the agency is allegedly doing now."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, he used blackmail to target a specific person - this is the part that is an extremely bad precedent to set because if he can do it, so can the next Democrat elected.
Targeting the agency is really part of his job - targeting officials that the duly charged body decided (however stupidly) NOT to remove is NOT part of the Governor's job - if it were he'd have a specific remedy rather than making one up as he did.
If the Republicans don't have the political gumption to tackle the agency they really shouldn't be making attacks on individuals - that's just as bad as what the agency is allegedly doing now.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's the allegation, yes.
Originally posted by CPWell, yeah, actually he did.
Originally posted by CPThat, of course, is a matter of opinion. If I have the LEGITIMATE power to provide funding, and I announce ahead of time that I will use that power if necessary, how is that power "abused"?
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And he used the veto, and even some of the Democrat biggies can't see an "abuse"."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, he used blackmail to target a specific person - this is the part that is an extremely bad precedent to set because if he can do it, so can the next Democrat elected. Targeting the agency is really part of his job - targeting officials that the duly charged body decided (however stupidly) NOT to remove is NOT part of the Governor's job - if it were he'd have a specific remedy rather than making one up as he did.
If the Republicans don't have the political gumption to tackle the agency they really shouldn't be making attacks on individuals - that's just as bad as what the agency is allegedly doing now."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe LIV is intended to prevent waste...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostSo, you don't think it's a good idea to have the person removed by what ever means necessary, who is in charge of the Public integrity agency, and who Pled Guilty to DUI and refused to resign? And her Democrat cronies refused to make her?
Perry has been INDICTED, and hasn't even been "magistrized", let alone tried in court, and the Democrats are calling for his ouster.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut they won't get indicted, because Travis County is heavily Democratic.
Anything Perry gets to do, his successor can do, too. Precedent is a legal and political sword - use it wisely because the neck you save will be your own.
I don't think you're understanding - she was an ELECTED official -- the "body" can't just fire her.
Originally posted by CPUm.... let's get back to what his alternatives were. I may have missed that part.
No legit remedy exists whereby the Governor can remove her. Stupid, but that's the reality. Giving the Dems a loaded gun is NOT a good solution to a temporary problem."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's the irony -- she has been found GUILTY of violating the law, and that's apparently OK with the "Public Integrity Unit".
Perry has been INDICTED, and hasn't even been "magistrized", let alone tried in court, and the Democrats are calling for his ouster.
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