Perfidious charities, Catholic and Protestant

[Epoetker]

Oh I see. So now it's "passive collusion". Of course the term conspiracy means collusion of any type.

No, not really. "To conspire" generally implies a meeting or conversation of actual humans with each other, face to face or electronically.

Hey I know, since we are now just making things up, let's call it "passive conspiracy".

Makes about as much sense as "White Hispanic" in context.

Oh I would love to talk about immigration problems. But the problem is, I want to talk about it seriously.

No you don't. The first step in taking it seriously is finding reports from people on the ground, and the media has absolutely no interest or motivation to do so. If you can't follow the money, how can you ever expect to even begin to find the truth? You can't even bother to research something as basic as riot control and the logistics of calling out the National Guard, why should I expect you to be qualified to figure out more complicated scams when Upworthy is probably your most sophisticated news source and personal inspiration?

Not using factless conjecture and VDare conspiracies. I will happily give you that you probably know more about conspiracy issues than I do. I take very little stock in them so naturally I don't waste my time reading them.

Translation from the misused Big Words: you're trying very hard to use the word CONSPIRACY in the wrong context because you know it's generally associated with Disreputable Tin-Foil-Hat-Wearing Individuals, so you're trying to stick it on VDare by any means necessary. Fun trick! Too bad it doesn't work on me.

You can now go on to continue to believe you are saving the world against Spartacus and I. Something you might want to look up is "delusions of grandeur". Because I fear that you being a blade, are really too dull to cut through your own B.S.

Smacking people in the back of the head with the blunt end of the blade can be just as fun as skewering them, and the best part is you can keep doing it over and over again if they insist on challenging you unworthily. I foresee many such smackdowns in the near future, each more satisfying than the last.

[Jesse]

Which you have yet to do in any capacity, mainly because you're unable to make a distinction between active conspiracy and passive collusion, between leads and evidence, and between truth and lies. You and Spartacus cannot discuss the issue because you redefine words and terms on the fly while utterly failing to deal with the claims in any manner that indicates you have any experience with the issues involved.

Oh I see. So now it's "passive collusion". Of course the term conspiracy means collusion of any type. Hey I know, since we are now just making things up, let's call it "passive conspiracy".

Oh I would love to talk about immigration problems. But the problem is, I want to talk about it seriously. Not using factless conjecture and VDare conspiracies. I will happily give you that you probably know more about conspiracy issues than I do. I take very little stock in them so naturally I don't waste my time reading them.

You can now go on to continue to believe you are saving the world against Spartacus and I. Something you might want to look up is "delusions of grandeur". Because I fear that you being a blade, are really too dull to cut through your own B.S.

[Epoetker]

I am with you that it is an important issue that needs to be discussed.

Which you have yet to do in any capacity, mainly because you're unable to make a distinction between active conspiracy and passive collusion, between leads and evidence, and between truth and lies. You and Spartacus cannot discuss the issue because you redefine words and terms on the fly while utterly failing to deal with the claims in any manner that indicates you have any experience with the issues involved.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that you continue to insist on the scandalous-ness of charities seeking as much money as possible to care for immigrants (documented or not).

I'm not surprised at all that people like you in the media have completely failed to use the proper legal description for things like this, like fraud, theft, misappropriation of public funds, conflicts of interest, relocation of dangerous individuals, gross negligence, reckless endangerment, or any perfectly good and normal word that might be used by someone who had, say, a normal civic interest in seeing his country run well.

If indeed this was a novel and shocking revelation, I think we would have had more than 4-5 people posting in the thread, given how many people on this forum are interested in immigration issues. If you can't get anyone other than DE to agree with you, you're probably not about to start a national grassroots movement.

You misunderstand, as expected for people who make a habit of misusing words. Me and Darth aren't the roots of this movement. We're the blades.

If you like, we can make a thread/poll asking people whether they think this is even mildly scandalous or surprising. I'd make it myself, but you probably don't trust me to present the issue concisely and fairly, so I'll leave it to you. You think people would actually care about what I say they wouldn't? Prove it.

Prove what now?

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My threads always have a very high view-to-reply ratio, mainly because people are in fact interested in what I have to say but not usually strong enough or smart enough to fight me on it, mainly because I aim to be as logical and complete in the OP as possible. I'm aiming to influence the conservative fence-sitters, not those who have already thrown in with the liberal order or the 'conservative' status quo like you. Your pathetic attempts at Clinton-style brashness and Obama-style cynicism in defense of these charities only show how indistinguishable they are from the permanent liberal government. "Everybody does it and nobody cares!!!" is nothing but that combination of active lies and unrepentant despair that is so often the mark of the damned, assuming you did read your Bible at some point.

Thus, they deserve none of our money, our time, or our praise, but only our contempt and derision, until such time as they repent, cut their ties with the government, and go back to preaching to the common people of the land rather than at them. For the rich and poor are both fundamentally parasites, and thus collude against the righteous easily unless actively resisted.

[Darth Executor]

No Darth, both of you are claiming collusion. That is a conspiracy. I am saying there isn't one. Did you not read your own post?

No, I am not claiming collusion. I am claiming that the media has no reason to go after the RCC on this issue since it would be an own goal. They did the same with Gosnell even though I highly doubt they sat down with him and promised him to watch his back, or the backs of the countless pro-choice officials who turned a blind eye to his massacres. This is how they normally operate.

[Jesse]

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...cussion-thread

3 people there.

My thread wasn't any more successful than yours

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...mentary-thread

So it doesn't look like there are all that many people all that interested in the issue after all.

I am with you that it is an important issue that needs to be discussed.

[Jesse]

You are the one shouting "conspiracy theory!" There's no conspiracy here, just blatant looting and treason.

No Darth, both of you are claiming collusion. That is a conspiracy. I am saying there isn't one. Did you not read your own post?

[Jesse]

I'm frankly a bit surprised that you continue to insist on the scandalous-ness of charities seeking as much money as possible to care for immigrants (documented or not). If indeed this was a novel and shocking revelation, I think we would have had more than 4-5 people posting in the thread, given how many people on this forum are interested in immigration issues. If you can't get anyone other than DE to agree with you, you're probably not about to start a national grassroots movement.

If you like, we can make a thread/poll asking people whether they think this is even mildly scandalous or surprising. I'd make it myself, but you probably don't trust me to present the issue concisely and fairly, so I'll leave it to you. You think people would actually care about what I say they wouldn't? Prove it.

They believe they are on to something here. That is why they are hard pressed to push it. Seeing who actually believes this nonsense would be interesting to see however.

[Darth Executor]

You do know that conspiracy means collusion

You are the one shouting "conspiracy theory!" There's no conspiracy here, just blatant looting and treason.

[Jesse]

Yes. A CONSPIRACY, which means totally exactly completely the same thing as broadly shared interests motivating similar actions.

Both have heavily indoctrinated pro-illegal rank-and-file like you and are led by people who very much do understand the value of a sea of dependents to their personal financial interests, yes.



Yes, it's called a good lead-in for further investigation, assuming "the media" was an independent collection of disinterested entities concerned only with their own profit, rather than mostly a collection of failures at everything else in life beholden to those who support them. (Exhibit A: Gawker)



SMOKE AND FIRE ARE COMPLETELY UNRELATED! THERE IS NO REASON TO APPOINT A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE POWERFUL INDIVIDUALS! INVESTIGATIONS BASED ON HUNCHES OR INITIAL SUSPICION ARE ONLY DONE BY SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED LOSERS! EVERYBODY ALWAYS MAKES ALL THEIR INTERNAL MEMOS PUBLIC!



Do tell. Guess that means I can call you Jesse the Racist from here on out.



I volunteer that any investigations of those claims and suspicions by you would most certainly be a complete waste of time.



Why you so uptight about this if you don't care about these things?



I prefer "legitimate media," thank you very much. Which means that their so-called unfounded accusations were, in fact, fully legitimate and completely settled. Thanks, Jesse the Racist.



It's nice to find out that you the Racist and Spartacus the Clinton-groupie will, in fact, both confirm the veracity of everything we say in the funniest and most ham-handed way possible, protesting way, way, too much at the tiniest things while claiming not to care about them at all, almost like...you actually do care very much about the success of the mass immigration venture, and are actually crapping your pants in terror at the thought of the extended government being exposed, and thus mistrusted and dismissed by their nameless contributors, whom you worship so much but can never seem to actually match.

It's expected. Your fundamental motivation is, after all, insecurity at your own personal lack of authority, and you're seizing on blind religious trust in The Independent Press, Final Arbiter of Truth in Our Time, of all things, which is several levels below trust in more well-supported modern gods, like the Spirit of the Age or the Invisible Hand of the Marketplace. Big secret here: Vdare does good reporting that no one else does precisely because its reporters are in fact motivated by things greater than money or fashionable recognition. Most of its best reporters already got the need for those out of their system years ago, or never had them to begin with. So if you in the cheap seats enjoyed this effortless takedown of Spartacus the Clinton-groupie and Jesse the Racist, consider donating money to people who actually put it to good use.

Oh Epoetker, if only you understood the meaning of words, this would go much smoother. You do know that conspiracy means collusion right? And what you and Darth are saying is that Catholic Charities and the media are in collusion with one another to suppress news of them using money to pay off sex crimes. A very serious charge mind you. And you do it with no proof. But you want to be taken seriously?

Good lead-in? That stupid post was made in 2012. The author of that post didn't even consider it worthy of any follow up. Why would anyone else? I think you believe because the media is sometimes fast and loose with their facts, it's ok for your sources to do it as well.

And so your proof that something is true is because :

SMOKE AND FIRE

Well I guess we can do without facts then. Because where there is smoke, there is fire people!

I'm not uptight about anything. If they lean white nationalist, that goes to the heart of how they would report a case like this. White nationalists are not too fond of immigrants, or Catholics.

You can call me racist all you like. It truly does not matter to me. If I was, I wouldn't be too cowardly to admit it however. VDare on the other hand...

No no, you mean VDare does good conspiratorial reporting that you find pleasing and is factless. Which is also probably why you like it so much. Keep on reading that trailblazing VDare guys! I am sure they will get a story with facts once in this century.

I wasn't planning on responding, but I had to because your frothing rage was just too much not to poke at.

[Darth Executor]

Put "global warming" and "Obama" somewhere in the title. That'll get some views.

Well it's not really immigration that they're interested in then.

[Spartacus]

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...cussion-thread

3 people there.

My thread wasn't any more successful than yours

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...mentary-thread

So it doesn't look like there are all that many people all that interested in the issue after all.

Put "global warming" and "Obama" somewhere in the title. That'll get some views.

[Darth Executor]

I think we would have had more than 4-5 people posting in the thread, given how many people on this forum are interested in immigration issues.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...cussion-thread

3 people there.

My thread wasn't any more successful than yours

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...mentary-thread

So it doesn't look like there are all that many people all that interested in the issue after all.

[Spartacus]

I'm frankly a bit surprised that you continue to insist on the scandalous-ness of charities seeking as much money as possible to care for immigrants (documented or not). If indeed this was a novel and shocking revelation, I think we would have had more than 4-5 people posting in the thread, given how many people on this forum are interested in immigration issues. If you can't get anyone other than DE to agree with you, you're probably not about to start a national grassroots movement.

If you like, we can make a thread/poll asking people whether they think this is even mildly scandalous or surprising. I'd make it myself, but you probably don't trust me to present the issue concisely and fairly, so I'll leave it to you. You think people would actually care about what I say they wouldn't? Prove it.

[Spartacus]

Dang he mad. Dem walls o' text. Dat caps lock.

[Epoetker]

Not sure why you brought it up though. Just commenting because?

Oh I see. So there is a conspiracy between the Catholic Church and mainstream media.

Yes. A CONSPIRACY, which means totally exactly completely the same thing as broadly shared interests motivating similar actions.

Both are aligned in their immigration stance and therefore, the mainstream media will ignore this blockbuster VDare reporting? Am I getting this paranoid delusion right?

Both have heavily indoctrinated pro-illegal rank-and-file like you and are led by people who very much do understand the value of a sea of dependents to their personal financial interests, yes.

Well you twisted my arm, so I went and read the article. More than half of it is whining about how much money the Church is getting from grants and other sources. Not until the very end does he try to shoehorn in his crackpot theory. With no evidence mind you but this: That right there is some crack reporting.

Yes, it's called a good lead-in for further investigation, assuming "the media" was an independent collection of disinterested entities concerned only with their own profit, rather than mostly a collection of failures at everything else in life beholden to those who support them. (Exhibit A: Gawker)

It has nothing to do with this not being picked up by mainstream reporters, this has to do with there being no facts to back up the conclusion. Conjecture and guessing isn't proof. And that is why no one is bothering with it. So please, get something better than this.

SMOKE AND FIRE ARE COMPLETELY UNRELATED! THERE IS NO REASON TO APPOINT A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO INVESTIGATE POWERFUL INDIVIDUALS! INVESTIGATIONS BASED ON HUNCHES OR INITIAL SUSPICION ARE ONLY DONE BY SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED LOSERS! EVERYBODY ALWAYS MAKES ALL THEIR INTERNAL MEMOS PUBLIC!

That was of course directed at: Like that means something. I could care less who is or isn't racist. But cowards usualy don't like to admit it.

Do tell. Guess that means I can call you Jesse the Racist from here on out.

Yes. I said they hire white nationalists which is true. So yes their articles would lean white nationalist. Why are you making this more complicated then it is? I said they were a conspiratorial site that hires white nationalists even though they say they are not white nationalists. Make of that what you will.

I volunteer that any investigations of those claims and suspicions by you would most certainly be a complete waste of time.

Where is the goal shifting? Is there a white nationalist barometer I don't know about? Are you only white nationalist if it's full on?

Why you so uptight about this if you don't care about these things?

Thank you for those links. I was wrong and they have been quoted by sympathetic media.

I prefer "legitimate media," thank you very much. Which means that their so-called unfounded accusations were, in fact, fully legitimate and completely settled. Thanks, Jesse the Racist.

You are correct. I didn't quote from the article. For the same reasons why I don't quote from a Onion or Salon article. It's a waste of everyones time. But I did just for you and now I feel dumber having done so.

Hey, you and Epoetker can continue to throw out all the factless conspiracies you want. No one is trying to stop you. Carry on you two.

It's nice to find out that you the Racist and Spartacus the Clinton-groupie will, in fact, both confirm the veracity of everything we say in the funniest and most ham-handed way possible, protesting way, way, too much at the tiniest things while claiming not to care about them at all, almost like...you actually do care very much about the success of the mass immigration venture, and are actually crapping your pants in terror at the thought of the extended government being exposed, and thus mistrusted and dismissed by their nameless contributors, whom you worship so much but can never seem to actually match.

It's expected. Your fundamental motivation is, after all, insecurity at your own personal lack of authority, and you're seizing on blind religious trust in The Independent Press, Final Arbiter of Truth in Our Time, of all things, which is several levels below trust in more well-supported modern gods, like the Spirit of the Age or the Invisible Hand of the Marketplace. Big secret here: Vdare does good reporting that no one else does precisely because its reporters are in fact motivated by things greater than money or fashionable recognition. Most of its best reporters already got the need for those out of their system years ago, or never had them to begin with. So if you in the cheap seats enjoyed this effortless takedown of Spartacus the Clinton-groupie and Jesse the Racist, consider donating money to people who actually put it to good use.