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    Comments on the Malaysia Airlines 17 disaster that I doubt will be made in the MSM:

    1) The disaster might not have occurred had the USA not pushed for regime change in Ukraine last year.

    2) That the missile was Russian-made means nothing, the Ukrainian government has exactly the same make of weapons.

    3) The government probably killed a great many civilians more than Russia and the rebels have, so far, besides the Malaysia incident.

    4) Despite the civilian deaths mentioned above, the USA is still backing the Ukrainian government, which is taking "measured and moderate" action, the USA says.

    5) Russia and the separatists have much more to lose than gain from the crash, while the Ukrainian government has much to gain and little to lose if it can successfully pin the blame on the separatists.

    6) The separatists probably do not have the training to fire that kind of SAM.

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    Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
    Comments on the Malaysia Airlines 17 disaster that I doubt will be made in the MSM:

    1) The disaster might not have occurred had the USA not pushed for regime change in Ukraine last year.

    2) That the missile was Russian-made means nothing, the Ukrainian government has exactly the same make of weapons.

    3) The government probably killed a great many civilians more than Russia and the rebels have, so far, besides the Malaysia incident.

    4) Despite the civilian deaths mentioned above, the USA is still backing the Ukrainian government, which is taking "measured and moderate" action, the USA says.

    5) Russia and the separatists have much more to lose than gain from the crash, while the Ukrainian government has much to gain and little to lose if it can successfully pin the blame on the separatists.

    6) The separatists probably do not have the training to fire that kind of SAM.

    http://thecrux.com/ron-paul-what-the...ines-disaster/
    Tyrant loving libertarians, what a shock.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    • #3
      We are reminded at this time of Iran Air 655 (1988).
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ir-flight-655/
      First of three parts here:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9Bj9sWyFA
      Last edited by firstfloor; 07-22-2014, 04:10 AM.
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      • #4
        I don't believe Russians did it. Maybe separatists but even then I doubt they'd do this on purpose. Makes no sense. Why would they shoot a civilian airplane? Because they are mad, angry people with beards? Please.

        My theory is that some separatists got drunk, seen airplane flying in their airspace, got pissed off and fired a missile. Bam. Unfortunate mistake.

        But that's just me and I'm not the brightest man on this side of the internet.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Wilkowsky View Post
          My theory is that some separatists got drunk, seen airplane flying in their airspace, got pissed off and fired a missile. Bam. Unfortunate mistake.

          But that's just me and I'm not the brightest man on this side of the internet.
          Let me get this straight? You think a drunk team without any training somehow managed to hit the plane with a SAM?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
            Tyrant loving libertarians, what a shock.
            That makes no sense. If that was a slap at me, I am not happy with both sides and I very much doubt Ron Paul likes Putin.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
              Let me get this straight? You think a drunk team without any training somehow managed to hit the plane with a SAM?
              A modern SAM is designed to be able to defeat both active and passive countermeasures and successfully engage a wildly maneuvering supersonic fighter jet. Further, it controls its own maneuvers, not someone on the ground. A SAM would have to malfunction badly in order to miss a subsonic airplane with no countermeasures flying in a straight line. If the system is turned on, all it takes is someone hitting the firing button. I'm pretty sure a drunk man could manage that, training or no. In fact, a lack of training is a likely explanation for why someone fired in the first place; a trained operator would be able to tell the difference between a fighter jet and an airliner.
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              • #8
                One of the many questions is why the Malaysian flight was even flying directly over a hot warzone when planes had already been shot down just days prior and when other airlines were being rerouted. Whatever the answer, you'd be crazy to take a flight on that particular airline in light of the events of this year with that airline.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                  That makes no sense. If that was a slap at me, I am not happy with both sides and I very much doubt Ron Paul likes Putin.
                  It's a slap at both you and Ron Paul since you both use the same Russian apologetic drivel:

                  1) The disaster might not have occurred had the USA not pushed for regime change in Ukraine last year.
                  The USA did not push for regime change in Ukraine. Ukrainians pushed for regime change because the president was a Moscow puppet living in obscene opulence while Ukrainians starved. The US's general apathy towards East Europe is legendary.

                  "4) Despite the civilian deaths mentioned above, the USA is still backing the Ukrainian government, which is taking "measured and moderate" action, the USA says.
                  All civilian deaths are the responsibility of the separatists since they're the ones who started an unjust war to steal from Ukraine just about the only thing it got out of its subjugation from the Soviet Union. If anything Ukrainians are being too soft. Russia is simply reminding its neighbors once again why virtually all of East Europe sided with Hitler.
                  "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                  There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                    The US's general apathy towards East Europe is legendary.
                    Possibly you need to go to the doctor. Why is your memory so bad? Or maybe you just weren't following the news in the past years.
                    The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                    [T]he truth Im after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                      Possibly you need to go to the doctor. Why is your memory so bad? Or maybe you just weren't following the news in the past years.
                      There's nothing wrong with my memory. You (and Ron Paul) simply don't understand anything which is why everything you post straddles the line between insane and stupid.
                      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                        Possibly you need to go to the doctor. Why is your memory so bad? Or maybe you just weren't following the news in the past years.
                        DE is of East European extraction, chucklehead. Perhaps he's able to follow more accurate sources than various conspiracy websites (I know, low bar).

                        Further the current occupant of the Oval Office is so pro-East European that he canceled the ABM missiles that Poland and the Czech Republic were scheduled to get. Derp.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post
                          One of the many questions is why the Malaysian flight was even flying directly over a hot warzone when planes had already been shot down just days prior and when other airlines were being rerouted. Whatever the answer, you'd be crazy to take a flight on that particular airline in light of the events of this year with that airline.
                          Just the current facts. Rerouting has commenced as a consequence of the downing of MH17. Maybe you should consider reading your own reference material.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                            There's nothing wrong with my memory. You (and Ron Paul) simply don't understand anything which is why everything you post straddles the line between insane and stupid.
                            Please cite the post that sticks out the most in your memory(?) as being especially stupid and/or insane and explain why.
                            The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                            [T]he truth Im after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              DE is of East European extraction, chucklehead. Perhaps he's able to follow more accurate sources than various conspiracy websites (I know, low bar).

                              Further the current occupant of the Oval Office is so pro-East European that he canceled the ABM missiles that Poland and the Czech Republic were scheduled to get. Derp.
                              Et tu, OBM? Has everyone already forgotten Georgia and what happened there? Nah, surely not everyone! At least Wikipedia has a memory superior to DE's: en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
                              The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                              [T]he truth Im after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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