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Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

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  • #2
    The political debate is definitely not over, nor will it be so in the foreseeable future, imo.

    That said, the scientific debate has been over for quite a while now.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by robertb View Post
      That said, the scientific debate has been over for quite a while now.
      Only in the minds of the closed-minded.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by John Reece View Post
        Only in the minds of the closed-minded.
        You are referring to the vast majority of the field here, I suppose.

        As in any scientific debate, a theory that makes better predictions will always trump one that makes worse predictions.

        What do you have in mind?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by robertb View Post
          As in any scientific debate, a theory that makes better predictions will always trump one that makes worse predictions.
          Predictions are not science.

          Predictions may by promoters of the AGW theory usually turn out to be other than predicted.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by John Reece View Post
            Predictions are not science.

            Predictions may by promoters of the AGW theory usually turn out to be other than predicted.
            I believe that you avoided my question.

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            • #7
              robertb seems to think there is just one model of the overall atmosphere temperature that makes just one prediction. Not so. Dozens of models, a great range of predictions. Moreover, most of them are failing so far.
              The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

              [T]he truth Iím after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -ó Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                Moreover, most of them are failing so far.
                Right. See here.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                  robertb seems to think there is just one model of the overall atmosphere temperature that makes just one prediction. Not so. Dozens of models, a great range of predictions. Moreover, most of them are failing so far.
                  I think you misunderstand. What model do you propose and what predictions does your model make?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by robertb View Post
                    I think you misunderstand. What model do you propose and what predictions does your model make?
                    He was not proposing a model. He is not in the prediction business.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by John Reece View Post
                      He was not proposing a model. He is not in the prediction business.
                      Obviously you believe that the consensus is mistaken. What evidence do you have that you believe would falsify the consensus position?

                      I mean, we're not just talking politics here, right?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by robertb View Post
                        Obviously you believe that the consensus is mistaken. What evidence do you have that you believe would falsify the consensus position?
                        What is the consensus position?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by John Reece View Post
                          What is the consensus position?
                          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scien...climate_change

                          This is fairly concise.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by robertb View Post
                            Why does the graph beside the article, and indeed the article itself, not indicate the fact that there has been no warming for the past ten to seventeen years ― depending on which of a number of scientific studies and reports that have been cited?

                            In fact, NOAA temperature data shows that the U.S.A. has been cooling for the past decade. See here.

                            No consensus model predicted any such phenomenon; in fact, as your quoted article and the accompanying graph indicates, the consensus modal prediction was quite the contrary to what actually has happened. Remember Michael Mann's hockey stick?
                            Last edited by John Reece; 07-09-2014, 04:27 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by robertb View Post
                              As in any scientific debate, a theory that makes better predictions will always trump one that makes worse predictions.
                              As John pointed out the AGW has been very unsuccessful making predictions that meant anything.
                              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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