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Originally posted by seer View PostOh please! Women can't afford condoms? I think they can get the pill from Walmart for something like ten dollars a month, they can't manage ten bucks a month? Sad. Or here is a novel idea - you don't want to get pregnant, keep your legs closed. And it is not being self-reliant when you want other people to pay for your stuff. The modern feminists can not hold a candle to the women I grew up with, and that is a fact.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostFunny, I've been quite independent and self-reliant for much of my life. How did I manage that one?
Originally posted by Sparko View Postso you are saying they need help being self-reliant?
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostDo you know what "independent" means?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThat doesn't conflict with what I said."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostYou are ignoring the context. If you were to say that anyone in modern society was independent I could say the same thing."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI'm not. "Independent" is being misused to describe having someone else pay so you can do what you want. That's not independence in any sense of the word.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by sylas View PostAs noted; this is not other people paying for things; it's about insurance. They are not remotely the same thing; so you have THAT wrong also, as well as the nonsense definition of feminism.
And in particular, it is about whether a public corporation can use religious views as a basis for removing certain procedures or treatments from the insurance they are required to provide for their employees.
Cheers -- sylasAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSure it does because you're assuming that one needs others to provide X for them, in order to be 'independent'. Where did you get that one from?Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI'm not. "Independent" is being misused to describe having someone else pay so you can do what you want. That's not independence in any sense of the word.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI specifically used the word "more"."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI specifically used the word "more". In this case independence isn't a binary status, it's a scale. Please read what I write more carefully next time."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd you haven't explained how that makes you 'more' independent, you have just asserted it and not explained why. Did you tack the 'more' in there in order to avoid answering why depending on others to provide for your needs makes you 'independent'?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostYou specifically used a word that makes no difference which is why I ignored it. There is no "more" independence, just a shift to a form of dependence that suits the individual's selfish impulses better.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd you haven't explained how that makes you 'more' independent, you have just asserted it and not explained why. Did you tack the 'more' in there in order to avoid answering why depending on others to provide for your needs makes you 'independent'?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostYou are disagreeing with terms, not an argument. If you disagree that degrees of independence exist, then there can be no discussion. It becomes an issue of semantics."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostWomen are at a natural disadvantage to men in this area. The invention of birth control remedied this some. Free access to birth control remedies this more. It's not complicated.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI would be much more independent if the government bought me a car instead of making me pay for one."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo would I! Does this also include cable TV and health insurance too?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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