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  • #31
    Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
    Yeah, I Lol'd.
    I'm glad.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      Oh please! Women can't afford condoms? I think they can get the pill from Walmart for something like ten dollars a month, they can't manage ten bucks a month? Sad. Or here is a novel idea - you don't want to get pregnant, keep your legs closed. And it is not being self-reliant when you want other people to pay for your stuff. The modern feminists can not hold a candle to the women I grew up with, and that is a fact.
      Ten dollars a month would be on the very low side. It's pretty important, so it would be nice to have free access available.

      Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
      Funny, I've been quite independent and self-reliant for much of my life. How did I manage that one?
      That doesn't conflict with what I said.

      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      so you are saying they need help being self-reliant?

      Self-reliance implies opportunity, at least to me.

      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
      Do you know what "independent" means?
      You are ignoring the context. If you were to say that anyone in modern society was independent I could say the same thing.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
        That doesn't conflict with what I said.
        Sure it does because you're assuming that one needs others to provide X for them, in order to be 'independent'. Where did you get that one from?
        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
          You are ignoring the context. If you were to say that anyone in modern society was independent I could say the same thing.
          I'm not. "Independent" is being misused to describe having someone else pay so you can do what you want. That's not independence in any sense of the word.
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
            I'm not. "Independent" is being misused to describe having someone else pay so you can do what you want. That's not independence in any sense of the word.
            that
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by sylas View Post
              As noted; this is not other people paying for things; it's about insurance. They are not remotely the same thing; so you have THAT wrong also, as well as the nonsense definition of feminism.
              Of course it is. If you offer more options in an insurance policy those costs are spread across to all the policy holders. The woman in that policy does not pay more because she uses birth control than the guy doesn't. Never mind the fact that, from what I read. the ACA requires that there is no co-pay. I can't get any medication without a co-pay. And then there is question - why should medical insurance pay for something that is non-medical. Why aren't they paying for condoms too?

              And in particular, it is about whether a public corporation can use religious views as a basis for removing certain procedures or treatments from the insurance they are required to provide for their employees.

              Cheers -- sylas
              That is the real problem sylas! Why should any company be required to provide medical insurance? And if they do why should they be told what to provide? What Constitutional principle does that flow from?
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #37
                Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                Sure it does because you're assuming that one needs others to provide X for them, in order to be 'independent'. Where did you get that one from?
                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                I'm not. "Independent" is being misused to describe having someone else pay so you can do what you want. That's not independence in any sense of the word.
                I specifically used the word "more". In this case independence isn't a binary status, it's a scale. Please read what I write more carefully next time.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                  I specifically used the word "more".
                  You specifically used a word that makes no difference which is why I ignored it. There is no "more" independence, just a shift to a form of dependence that suits the individual's selfish impulses better.
                  "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                  There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                    I specifically used the word "more". In this case independence isn't a binary status, it's a scale. Please read what I write more carefully next time.
                    And you haven't explained how that makes you 'more' independent, you have just asserted it and not explained why. Did you tack the 'more' in there in order to avoid answering why depending on others to provide for your needs makes you 'independent'?
                    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                      And you haven't explained how that makes you 'more' independent, you have just asserted it and not explained why. Did you tack the 'more' in there in order to avoid answering why depending on others to provide for your needs makes you 'independent'?
                      I would be much more independent if the government bought me a car instead of making me pay for one.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                        You specifically used a word that makes no difference which is why I ignored it. There is no "more" independence, just a shift to a form of dependence that suits the individual's selfish impulses better.
                        You are disagreeing with terms, not an argument. If you disagree that degrees of independence exist, then there can be no discussion. It becomes an issue of semantics.

                        Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                        And you haven't explained how that makes you 'more' independent, you have just asserted it and not explained why. Did you tack the 'more' in there in order to avoid answering why depending on others to provide for your needs makes you 'independent'?
                        Women are at a natural disadvantage to men in this area. The invention of birth control remedied this some. Free access to birth control remedies this more. It's not complicated.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                          You are disagreeing with terms, not an argument. If you disagree that degrees of independence exist, then there can be no discussion. It becomes an issue of semantics.
                          I never said degrees of independence don't exist, I said there is no difference of degree in this case, just a trade within the same degree of independence.
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                            Women are at a natural disadvantage to men in this area. The invention of birth control remedied this some. Free access to birth control remedies this more. It's not complicated.
                            What is the constitutional basis for this?
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I would be much more independent if the government bought me a car instead of making me pay for one.
                              So would I! Does this also include cable TV and health insurance too?
                              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                                So would I! Does this also include cable TV and health insurance too?
                                AND cell phones!
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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