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Absolute Certainty is Not Scientific

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  • #2
    But, but, the polar bears! How can we not be certain when the polar bears are dying in droves and the Arctic is melting and Auntie Em isn't answering when we holler?









































    Sorry, I'm in a sarcastic mood today - can you tell?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
      Sorry, I'm in a sarcastic mood today - can you tell?
      I'm thankful that you were being sarcastic ― you had me worried about you for a few seconds.

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      • #4
        Belief in absolute certainty is wholly valid - provided the evidence is strong enough, and there is no viable evidence in contradiction.
        I would be kind of worried about a person who did not have absolute certainty that the effects of gravity can be overcome (at least temporarily) by the effects of aerodynamics, for example.
        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
        Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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        "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post
          Belief in absolute certainty is wholly valid - provided the evidence is strong enough, and there is no viable evidence in contradiction.

          I would be kind of worried about a person who did not have absolute certainty that the effects of gravity can be overcome (at least temporarily) by the effects of aerodynamics, for example.
          However, the contention that the countless imperfectly understood complexities involved in the history and nature of the climate of the planet are perfectly understood only by the scientists funded by statist governments committed to the United Nations multi-billion-dollar-financed-campaign to redistribute wealth from producers in the developed nations to consumers in the undeveloped nations ― with the vast sums of money handled by those who control the process of redistribution ― is not at all analogous to the science of gravity.

          To say that there is no viable evidence in contradiction to the theory of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is a statement of willful ignorance.

          To cite just a single one of countless sources that present scientific evidence in contradiction to the theory of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, see Patrick Moore's book chapter titled "Climate of Fear" in Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist ― excerpts of which are in process of being reproduced in this forum here; please note the quote below the title of the chapter:
          If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. 
—Sir Francis Bacon
          Last edited by John Reece; 07-01-2014, 10:56 AM.

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          • #6
            I love that quote from Francis Bacon and think it applies to exegesis and theology at least as well as it does to science.
            βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον
            ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

            אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post
              Belief in absolute certainty is wholly valid - provided the evidence is strong enough, and there is no viable evidence in contradiction.
              I would be kind of worried about a person who did not have absolute certainty that the effects of gravity can be overcome (at least temporarily) by the effects of aerodynamics, for example.

              Are you absolutely certain?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                I love that quote from Francis Bacon and think it applies to exegesis and theology at least as well as it does to science.


                That's why we share the same TheologyWeb signature.

                I was thinking of you when I went back to copy & paste the quote from Francis Bacon.
                Last edited by John Reece; 07-01-2014, 01:10 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by John Reece View Post


                  That's why we share the same TheologyWeb signature.

                  I was thinking of you when I went back to copy & paste the quote from Francis Bacon.

                  Well, there goes my theory that Rob's your sock puppet!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                    Well, there goes my theory that Rob's your sock puppet!

                    Such a theory is just not plausible.

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                    • #11
                      The last line in the OP article, which refers back to the OP:
                      "We should all remember that Feynman also said, "If you think that science is certain—well that's just an error on your part."

                      Please tell me, is the old WSJ article free from a paywall now? Impossible for me to tell because I am a WSJ subscriber.
                      Last edited by John Reece; 07-01-2014, 01:31 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by John Reece View Post
                        Such a theory is just not plausible.
                        Sock puppetry and plausibility aren't actually on speaking terms...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by John Reece View Post
                          The last line in the OP article, which refers back to the OP:
                          "We should all remember that Feynman also said, "If you think that science is certain—well that's just an error on your part."

                          Please tell me, is the old WSJ article free from a paywall now? Impossible for me to tell because I am a WSJ subscriber.
                          I can see it without a subscription - I didn't see an indication of a free trial or anything.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                            I can see it without a subscription - I didn't see an indication of a free trial or anything.
                            Thanks!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                              Sock puppetry and plausibility aren't actually on speaking terms...

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