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Bestiality: Can an animal "consent"?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Of course one can protect against diseases, as we do with human to human sex. And why would sex with an animal be inhumane? Even Dr. Peter Singer, an animal rights advocate, suggested that human to animal sex sex is not necessarily harmful to the animal if done correctly. The only reason I can see for preventing such action is based on the Law of God.

    http://www.utilitarianism.net/singer/by/2001----.htm
    Which has nothing to do with what I said - you and DE are assuming I'm advocating when in fact I'm merely reporting. The legal basis isn't consent - period.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
      Which has nothing to do with what I said - you and DE are assuming I'm advocating when in fact I'm merely reporting. The legal basis isn't consent - period.
      Ok, and I'm not assuming that you are advocating. But the legal reasoning makes no sense.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        Of course one can protect against diseases, as we do with human to human sex. And why would sex with an animal be inhumane? Even Dr. Peter Singer, an animal rights advocate, suggested that human to animal sex sex is not necessarily harmful to the animal if done correctly. The only reason I can see for preventing such action is based on the Law of God.

        http://www.utilitarianism.net/singer/by/2001----.htm
        Why do you think bestiality is nearly universally reviled?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
          Why do you think bestiality is nearly universally reviled?
          "Because it's gross" sounds like an awfully facile answer, but...
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            It's considered a crime against nature and there are public health (potential zoonotic diseases) and animal welfare concerns. The animal can't consent - but while an animal can be humanely destroyed it may not be inhumanely treated.
            Wasn't that the argument back in the day against interracial sexual relations. Against nature and public health concerns. Leaving out the animal parts though, even if some ethnic groups were considered to be like the animals or even less than animals.

            In our enlightened society animals have been raised to an equal status with humans by many. The legal apparatus are already in motion and it is only a matter of time.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
              Why do you think homosexuality is nearly universally reviled?
              Welcome to the Republican Party.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mr. Anderson View Post
                In our enlightened society animals have been raised to an equal status with humans by many. The legal apparatus are already in motion and it is only a matter of time.
                Yeah, our society has approved all sorts of sinful behavior. What is one further step into the sewer. Let it be known that if someone has a pet they like to have sex with, keep it private and I won't object to it. I still find it disgusting, but if I don't know . . .
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                  Why do you think bestiality is nearly universally reviled?
                  Because we are unenlightened and practice speciesism?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                  • #24
                    Bestophobes are no different from the anti-miscegenation goblins. They're on the wrong side of history and one day their backwards views will be seen as no different from the days of Jim Crow.
                    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                      First off, it sickens me to even have to write about something like this but with the mind-set of anything goes and don't discriminate about anything in the USA here goes...

                      What is the justification for outlawing bestiality? What if the animal "consents"? True it can not be verbalized but what if the animal doesn't seem to mind and the person doing so claims their "right" to engage in such an (abominable) activity?
                      It's pretty dumb to say you're sickened by "having to write about this" when you most certainly didn't.
                      I'm not here anymore.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        The elephant in the room is that they can't consent to being killed for meat, either.
                        It seems the bigger elephant would be those that reject the consent argument as valid. Still, I think it obvious that survival trumps consent.
                        I'm not here anymore.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                          It's pretty dumb to say you're sickened by "having to write about this" when you most certainly didn't.
                          I did have to write about this because it may be the next step or within the next few steps down the line.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            Because we are unenlightened and practice speciesism?
                            I asked you because if the reason that bestiality should not be practiced is because of the Bible, then that doesn't explain its universal ire. There must be a universal, secular reason, and I want to know what you honestly think that is.

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                            • #29
                              Why should universal ire be used to trump those that feel that it is their choice/freedom to engage in this activity - even if it is an extremely small minority?

                              How can one say, "It's wrong" apart from the Bible?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                                I asked you because if the reason that bestiality should not be practiced is because of the Bible, then that doesn't explain its universal ire. There must be a universal, secular reason, and I want to know what you honestly think that is.

                                Well PM, homosexual behavior was mostly rejected in most cultures for most of history, even in non-biblical cultures. So what does that tell us?
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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