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Why Kerry Is Flat Wrong on Climate Change

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  • #16
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    What? He is using the NASA and NOAA grafts. The second graft in the link cycles between the graft they had right before 2000, and a more recent graft - the difference in the climate history of the US in the past 100 years between the grafts is obvious.
    I want to see where these charts come from. Your link is making a bold claim without providing details of the sources. At least one chart appears to be by James E Hanson (NASA 2001).
    http://appinsys.com/globalwarming/PDO_AMO.htm
    http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/jhansen.html
    http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/...sen_etal_1.pdf
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    • #17
      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      I want to see where these charts come from. Your link is making a bold claim without providing details of the sources. At least one chart appears to be by James E Hanson (NASA 2001).
      http://appinsys.com/globalwarming/PDO_AMO.htm
      http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/jhansen.html
      http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/...sen_etal_1.pdf
      Well it seems they admitted to the error (they wouldn't call it fudging though). The fact is, for the US, they fabricated a warming trend, instead of a cooling trend, which was actually happening. So what else are they fabricating?


      http://www.geotimes.org/aug07/articl...a081607_2.html

      Due to an error in calculations of mean U.S. temperatures, 1934, not 1998 as previously reported, is the hottest year on record in the United States. NASA scientists contend that the error has little effect on overall U.S. temperature trends and no effect on global mean temperatures, with 2005 still the hottest year worldwide by far, followed by 1998. The data corrections have added new fuel to the climate change debate, however — and could spell more public relations woes for NASA.

      The Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) at NASA measures long-term changes in global surface temperatures using raw data collected at thousands of stations around the world (called the Global Historical Climatology Network, or GHCN). The raw temperature data are then corrected to account for a number of factors, including differences in the time of day of measurements between stations, and differences between rural stations and urban stations (which tend to be hotter, due to the so-called "urban heat island" effect).

      On Aug. 4, however, the well-known climate change skeptic and former mining executive Steven McIntyre — who previously challenged climatologist Michael Mann's 1998 finding that temperatures have increased rapidly since 1900 A.D., compared with the previous thousand years, forming a distinctive "hockey stick" temperature pattern — observed a strange jump in the U.S. data occurring around January 2000. He sent an e-mail to NASA about his observation, and the agency responded with an e-mail acknowledging a flaw in the calculations and thanking him for his help, he says. By Aug. 7, he says, the agency had removed the incorrect U.S. data from the GISS Web site and replaced it with corrected numbers for all 1,200 stations.
      Last edited by seer; 06-23-2014, 12:09 PM.
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      • #18
        From our dear leader:

        "As the climate continues to warm, hurricane intensity and rainfall are projected to increase, and we expect sea level rise to make storm surges more costly. That is why, last year, I issued an Executive Order directing the Federal Government to take coordinated action to prepare our Nation for the impacts of climate change. In the years ahead we will remain committed to increasing resilience, investing in scientific research, and cutting red tape so we can quickly send assistance where it is needed most."
        http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-...continues-warm

        But, today, the Washington Post reported that it's been more than eight years since the last major hurricane landfall in the U.S.:

        "Such a streak, or "drought", is unprecedented going back to 1900. As of the start of this hurricane season, the span will be 3,142 days since the last U.S. major hurricane landfall. The previous longest span is about 2½ years shorter!"
        Ok, so warming predicts greater hurricane intensity, but we just went through eight years of some of the most mild hurricane seasons in the last hundred years or so. This does not make sense. The predictions are completely wrong seeing that we supposedly just went through 100 years or so of unprecedented warming with zero increase in hurricane activity.
        Last edited by seer; 06-23-2014, 12:57 PM.
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        • #19
          Good for thee, but not for me. These people are complete hypocrites!

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...s-to-work.html

          One of Greenpeace’s most senior executives commutes 250 miles to work by plane, despite the environmental group’s campaign to curb air travel, it has emerged.

          Pascal Husting, Greenpeace International’s international programme director, said he began "commuting between Luxembourg and Amsterdam" when he took the job in 2012 and currently made the round trip about twice a month.

          The flights, at 250 euros for a round trip, are funded by Greenpeace, despite its campaign to curb "the growth in aviation", which it says "is ruining our chances of stopping dangerous climate change”.

          One Greenpeace volunteer on Monday described Mr Husting's travel arrangements as "almost unbelievable".

          Another said they were cancelling their payments to support Greenpeace in the wake of the disclosure and series of other damaging revelations of of disarray and financial mismanagement at the organisation, in documents leaked to the Guardian newspaper.
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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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