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Should we open trade and travel with Cuba?

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  • #16
    "We don't like communism" seems a pretty poor reason to refuse trade and travel. My gut feeling is that the restrictions were early attempts at economic sanctions that didn't really work and have since been forgotten about. I've not read on this issue at all, though I'll do some poking around.
    I'm not here anymore.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      The way I see it: We've tried embargoing them for 50 years. It hasn't done jack to end communism there. All it's done is made the people of Cuba suffer.
      My position, too.
      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        So, what's the hold up? Is it the perception that we're "accepting" Communism? Supporting a Communist regime?
        Fidel Castro is still alive. Just wait. Once he's gone, we will normalize relations. His brother, Raul is itching to get in the US market. He can't do anything this radical as long as his older brother is alive.

        Cuba is communist in name only. There has been an underground capitalist economy running for years.

        The cigars. Oh, the cigars!

        NORM
        When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

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        • #19
          Originally posted by NormATive View Post
          Fidel Castro is still alive.
          Yeah? So's Elvis!

          Just wait. Once he's gone, we will normalize relations. His brother, Raul is itching to get in the US market. He can't do anything this radical as long as his older brother is alive.

          Cuba is communist in name only. There has been an underground capitalist economy running for years.

          The cigars. Oh, the cigars!

          NORM
          But, are you EVER going to mention the cigars?
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by NormATive View Post
            Fidel Castro is still alive. Just wait. Once he's gone, we will normalize relations. His brother, Raul is itching to get in the US market. He can't do anything this radical as long as his older brother is alive.

            Cuba is communist in name only. There has been an underground capitalist economy running for years.

            The cigars. Oh, the cigars!

            NORM
            The Black Market thrived in the old Soviet Union (often with a wink and a nod from those in the Politburo -- plus a few hefty bribes), but that didn't mean it wasn't a communist government

            And they do have good cigars.
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Used to. Had a great source for premium Cuban cigars (primarily Romeo y Julieta) in someone who played for the Atlanta Braves but quit shortly after he was traded.

            I was once stopped by customs for bringing 20 Cuban cigars back from Jamaica. The two custom officers tried to make me feel bad for doing it but I pointed out that there was a recently published photograph of the President smoking a Cuban cigar. After several minutes of being grilled their superior came in and told the two to take a break. When they left he turned to me and said with a smile, "That's what happens when you take too many steroids." With that he said I was free to leave and as I headed for the door he tossed me one of the cigars and told me to have a good day.

            And when I first started smoking cigars I was like Trout and smoked the big old Churchills (a.k.a., El Presidentes and No.1s) but didn't like how soagy they got after you got past the first half and started selecting smaller cigars.

            That should read "soggy" not "soagy"

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #21
              Open trade with Cuba. We need another place to send all our printed worthless fiat paper since the BRIC countries are making more and more moves to avoid our worthless fiat paper.
              "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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