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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't usually say stuff like this, but Jesse, you are acting like a complete asshole.
That could be. You know my situation, and if it hasn't changed, there is at least a light at the end of the tunnel now. In two weeks, the overload is done and summer break will begin. In two weeks, I can go back to having a normal life.
Until then, it's ten classes, the equivalent of two and a half jobs, plus admin for six more while we're doing first term onboarding for the three adjuncts I hired when the layoffs came down. My schedule is so tight, there's no time to sleep on Wednesday nights. I finish my last class at 10 p.m., spend an hour commuting home, do the mid-week admin for the three part-time classes, finish my grading and prep for the 12 hours of lecture starting at 8 a.m. on Thursdays, and gee ... it's 5 a.m. again, and time to head in for my third 18-hour day in a row.
That's what I meant by higher than sideways.
And that's what it's been for the last two months.
So yes, maybe I am acting like a complete asshole. And maybe I should have followed through on my intention to stick to the shoutbox.
And maybe CP shouldn't have used D-Day as an opportunity to post a transparent bash piece on the Commander in Chief, citing the National Review.
Here's what I'm looking at when I read that story.
Look, a D-Day vet. Cool, so was my dad. Look, a quote ... but wait, it's not from the D-day vet. It' s just tacked onto the end. Criminy, you know the writer is hoping to associate the one with the other. And the source isn't even cited. Oh, that queers it entirely.
That would never get past me. I edited my college rag, and spent some time doing investigative reporting at the same time. I know how hard it is to get a decent quote, and I know what it means when a writer finds one and won't say who said it. When it's from an unnamed source, you can bet the farm it was made up.
Who ... what ... oh, the National Review. Yeah, I smirked.
And maybe I should have kept my yap shut, or found a more gentle way to say what I was thinking, as I probably would have had I been caught up on my sleep. But I didn't. So there you are.
I know you're a basically decent guy, and so is CP, and you both know I am, too. I don't care about the newbs' opinions, or the opinions of the kids I've spanked one too many times. But for you two, I am asking you to make allowances.
It'll get better.
As ever, Jesse
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostAnd maybe CP shouldn't have used D-Day as an opportunity to post a transparent bash piece on the Commander in Chief, citing the National Review.
My Dad was the one who alerted me to that story. He didn't find it in National Review, but that obviously was the linkback in the email he sent me, so I used it. He personally knows George Ciampa from a DC visit relative to Honor Flight. It was my Dad's feelings, as well, on D-Day, which is why he sent it.
Perhaps he should run these things by you first, Jesse, to see they meet your approval.
This was WAY beneath you, Jesse. My Dad has more than earned the right to express his opinions, and so have I.Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-07-2014, 08:53 AM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostGood morning, John,
That could be. You know my situation, and if it hasn't changed, there is at least a light at the end of the tunnel now. In two weeks, the overload is done and summer break will begin. In two weeks, I can go back to having a normal life.
Until then, it's ten classes, the equivalent of two and a half jobs, plus admin for six more while we're doing first term onboarding for the three adjuncts I hired when the layoffs came down. My schedule is so tight, there's no time to sleep on Wednesday nights. I finish my last class at 10 p.m., spend an hour commuting home, do the mid-week admin for the three part-time classes, finish my grading and prep for the 12 hours of lecture starting at 8 a.m. on Thursdays, and gee ... it's 5 a.m. again, and time to head in for my third 18-hour day in a row.
That's what I meant by higher than sideways.
And that's what it's been for the last two months.
So yes, maybe I am acting like a complete asshole. And maybe I should have followed through on my intention to stick to the shoutbox.
And maybe CP shouldn't have used D-Day as an opportunity to post a transparent bash piece on the Commander in Chief, citing the National Review.
Here's what I'm looking at when I read that story.
Look, a D-Day vet. Cool, so was my dad. Look, a quote ... but wait, it's not from the D-day vet. It' s just tacked onto the end. Criminy, you know the writer is hoping to associate the one with the other. And the source isn't even cited. Oh, that queers it entirely.
That would never get past me. I edited my college rag, and spent some time doing investigative reporting at the same time. I know how hard it is to get a decent quote, and I know what it means when a writer finds one and won't say who said it. When it's from an unnamed source, you can bet the farm it was made up.
Who ... what ... oh, the National Review. Yeah, I smirked.
And maybe I should have kept my yap shut, or found a more gentle way to say what I was thinking, as I probably would have had I been caught up on my sleep. But I didn't. So there you are.
I know you're a basically decent guy, and so is CP, and you both know I am, too. I don't care about the newbs' opinions, or the opinions of the kids I've spanked one too many times. But for you two, I am asking you to make allowances.
It'll get better.
As ever, Jesse
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Amen, Brother.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I should only post stuff that supports the party line, because the intolerant preachers of tolerance will be offended.
My Dad was the one who alerted me to that story. He didn't find it in National Review, but that obviously was the linkback in the email he sent me, so I used it. He personally knows George Ciampa from a DC visit relative to Honor Flight. It was my Dad's feelings, as well, on D-Day, which is why he sent it.
Perhaps he should run these things by you first, Jesse, to see they meet your approval.
This was WAY beneath you, Jesse. My Dad has more than earned the right to express his opinions, and so have I.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe last line of this article, which I have bolded, sums up what my own Dad, also a WWII Vet, feels about Obama:
Last edited by JimL; 06-07-2014, 06:46 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostVets are no different than the general population in that they all have their own opinions. Heres one for you: Irving Smolens, a veteran who fought at Normandy at the age of 19, stepped out from the crowd of veterans attending the D-Day events and took hold of Obamas hand and wouldn't let go until he said his peace. The conversation couldn't be heard over the crowd of course, so Smolens was tracked down by a reporter who asked him: "what did you say to Obama", Smolens reply was, "I thanked him for keeping us out of war." Well, I guess that says it all then, Obama as Commander and Chief, is beloved by all veterans!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostVets are no different than the general population in that they all have their own opinions. Heres one for you: Irving Smolens, a veteran who fought at Normandy at the age of 19, stepped out from the crowd of veterans attending the D-Day events and took hold of Obamas hand and wouldn't let go until he said his peace. The conversation couldn't be heard over the crowd of course, so Smolens was tracked down by a reporter who asked him: "what did you say to Obama", Smolens reply was, "I thanked him for keeping us out of war."
Well, I guess that says it all then, Obama as Commander and Chief, is beloved by all veterans!
From his LinkedIn page:
([sic] as appropriate)
TWO THINGS, Jimmy ---
A) note that he credits the ATOM BOMB with saving him from having to invade Japan!
2) He is an Obama supporter (as is his right) who hoped he would live long enough to meet Obama at the 70th D-Day ceremony.
I'm glad he did.Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-07-2014, 07:04 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lao tzuIf Brooks isn't a conservative, then neither is Buckley.
Originally posted by Peter BrimelowLosing Mum And Pup also makes clear the personal failings that made Buckley such a disaster for the American Conservative Movement and (particularly interesting to me) to the cause of patriotic immigration reform, which he encouraged some of us to champion in National Review before stabbing us in the back and handing the magazine over to hostile neoconservatives and GOP publicists.
By the 1980s, WFB was quite incapable of fulfilling the leadership role he still insisted upon. And it was the conservative movement, and America, that paid the truly cruel price. Like WFB himself, it turned out that the conservative movement was to have no “second act”, in Scott Fitzgerald`s famous phrase, after the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. WFB simply did not have the energy or the courage to adapt to the next generation of issues. And he was not prepared to tolerate those who did.As to the veterans thing ... *snort*
Yes, I am. And so was my dad, who also served in WWII, and also landed on the beach on D-Day.
And so was my grand-dad, who served in WWI. I was with him at the Palmer House in Chicago when he handed over the Last Man's Cup from Ambulance Company 129 to the National Archives.
I could keep on going, back through the Revolutionary War, because, as it so happens, I'm an American veteran from at least as long a line of American veterans as anyone here, and almost certainly longer.
Folks wanting to play the veteran's card to score cheap political tricks need to get over the fact that it's not a partisan brickbat to use for bashing the Commander in Chief.
And it sure the hell shouldn't be used for doing so on D-Day.
Unless you're the National Review.
*smirk*
All in all, a noble effort to protect yourself, but next time come back with an apology, an "I was drunk," or a "My Republican boyfriend logged in on my account by mistake."
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI found this on the Daily Beast:
Why does it not surprise me that your little pea brain would come to this conclusion just because a nice old WWII Veteran exercised his right to express his own opinion.
From his LinkedIn page:
([sic] as appropriate)
TWO THINGS, Jimmy ---
A) note that he credits the ATOM BOMB with saving him from having to invade Japan!
2) He is an Obama supporter (as is his right) who hoped he would live long enough to meet Obama at the 70th D-Day ceremony.
I'm glad he did.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostApparently the point of my response to your OP went right over your head CP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View Postlao tzu (and others):
In your mind, is it possible for us lowly conservatives to offer any criticism of the current administration at all, without it being "bashing" (or racist, bigoted, etc.)?
Please note I do not consider conservatism a "low" position, excluding the Tea Party wing of course, assuming, perhaps without cause, that one considers the TP a conservative movement. I don't.
There are any number of meaningful criticisms of administration policy open to conservatives. A while back, I posted to CP my list of issues with the Obama administration, including, as best I recall, failures regarding:
Climate policy
ACA
Guantanamo
Immigration reform
Minimum wage revision
Well, I'm sure the first three were on there, but I can't fully vouch for the last two.
There's no real risk of "etc." in these given a few fairly conservative caveats:
Climate change is real
Health insurance saves lives
Guantanamo is an embarrassment
American means immigrant
Full-time work should pay for basic food and shelter
As ever, Jesse
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