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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    My main concern is that this really pushes Iran to do something --- get with the program, or prove they're not going to.
    Is it still part of the deals that Israel drop their plans to annex West Gaza? I know they tore down some settlements that had been made "in bad faith" deeper into West Gaza in comparison to the ones near the border.

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    • #17
      US weapons sales opportunity:

      “The only path for peace for the Palestinians is ending this brutal Israeli occupation and granting the Palestinians their inalienable rights for self-determination. Without that there is no path to peace in the region,” Al Jazeera quoted Ammar Hijazi, assistant minister of multilateral affairs for the Palestinian Authority, as saying.

      Hijazi called the White House ceremony a “photo op” that “only crowns Israel as the policeman of the region” and paves the way for more U.S. weapons sales to the Arab countries.

      Qatar has ruled out normalization of ties with Israel until the Palestinians are granted their own state, within borders from before Israel conquered significant territory in a 1967 war, and with East Jerusalem as its capital. Those conditions are part of the Arab Peace Initiative, written by Saudi Arabia and unanimously adopted by the Arab League in 2002, and which remains, at least symbolically, the group’s joint position.
      No sign of justice for Palestine.

      BTW:
      Jesus was a Palestinian in practically every sense who spoke Aramaic and whose family may have practiced the Jewish faith. If Jesus had offspring, his offspring would certainly be Palestinian Arabs today and most likely Muslim.
      Last edited by firstfloor; 09-16-2020, 02:48 AM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
        Egypt would be the big prize - if they agreed to normalized relations WITHOUT extorting US taxpayers to do so, every year.

        Last year's tab: $1.42 billion.
        I wouldn't doubt for a minute that part of the reason that the UAE and Bahrain came to this decision is due in no small part to Iran's increasing saber rattling, and that they hope this action could lead to their procuring similar assistance or sweet heart deals in military contracts (or just being allowed to acquire more than they presently permitted).

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        • #19
          Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
          It won’t change anything, is what I hear.
          And, I suspect, hope, if it means that Trump gets any credit.

          You seem to be like the audience for Michelle Wolf's Netflix program "The Break with Michelle Wolf" when she asked them the question "Are You Sort Of Hoping We Don't Get Peace With North Korea So You Wouldn't Have To Give Trump Credit?" 71% said "yes"

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #20
            Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            No sign of justice for Palestine.
            How come when the West Bank and Gaza were under Arab control they never offered Palestinians their own state?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              Egypt would be the big prize - if they agreed to normalized relations WITHOUT extorting US taxpayers to do so, every year.

              Last year's tab: $1.42 billion.
              The US gives 'foreign aid' to lots of countries for a huge variety of reasons. Why do you specifically interpret the foreign aid to Egypt as a bribe for peace with Israel? Egypt has had a peace treaty with Israel for more than 30 years and is often regarded as Israel's strongest partner and ally in the region.
              he "decided not to hurt anybody because he did not have the means to kill enough people", Crown prosecutor Chris Lange told the Court.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                And Nutsy Pelosi dismisses this as a "distraction".

                https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...-deal-n2576236
                Didn't she do the same thing when the Trump Administration started issuing warnings about the Chicom coronavirus? Dismiss it as a distraction.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Didn't she do the same thing when the Trump Administration started issuing warnings about the Chicom coronavirus? Dismiss it as a distraction.
                  I believe you're right. She claimed he was trying to distract from the impeachment circus.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    I believe you're right. She claimed he was trying to distract from the impeachment circus.
                    And then, as the virus started spreading, told people not to worry about it and instead come to Chinatown to party with everyone.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      And then, as the virus started spreading, told people not to worry about it and instead come to Chinatown to party with everyone.
                      And now Democrats have pulled an about face and accused Trump of not doing enough despite vilifying him for instituting the travel ban in early-February.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        The US gives 'foreign aid' to lots of countries for a huge variety of reasons. Why do you specifically interpret the foreign aid to Egypt as a bribe for peace with Israel? Egypt has had a peace treaty with Israel for more than 30 years and is often regarded as Israel's strongest partner and ally in the region.
                        https://www.history.com/topics/middl...-david-accords

                        Notably, the treaty that resulted from the second “framework” also called for the United States to provide both countries with billions in annual subsidies, including military aid. Under the terms negotiated, Egypt receives $1.3 billion annually in military aid from the United States, while Israel receives $3 billion.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          And now Democrats have pulled an about face and accused Trump of not doing enough despite vilifying him for instituting the travel ban in early-February.
                          Yeah Pelosi wasn't the only Dem encouraging people to gather in groups


                          Both Pelosi and di Blasio were doing this in March when the pandemic was already sweeping across the country.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #28
                            Trump has now been nominated for a Peace Prize a second time, this time for helping to broker peace between Serbia and Kosovo: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...274#post783274

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Please tell me this is an act and that you're really not this astoundingly ignorant.
                              I understand that's meant as an insult, but it doesn't give answer to that which I have admitted to being ignorant of. So, what is the big deal? The UAE and Israel were "not so secretly" cooperating economically and technologically anyway. So why is this treaty a big deal?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                I understand that's meant as an insult, but it doesn't give answer to that which I have admitted to being ignorant of. So, what is the big deal? The UAE and Israel were "not so secretly" cooperating economically and technologically anyway. So why is this treaty a big deal?
                                They are making a public declaration of their intent to recognize Israel as a State - that's huge, and a thumb in the eye to Iran, since Trump made it clear that he is standing with them AGAINST Iran and Islamic extremism. As General Keane said - "it is a major geopolitical realignment in the Middle East".
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