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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
    It's not about the action, it's about the motivation.

    What is your motivation to continually seek out and denigrate "some" Americans? And some/all Christians?
    Not all Christians.

    However, that a country as technologically advanced as the USA has, among its population, swathes of individuals [some of whom allege they are Christians] who believe in demons, international cabals of paedophile cannibals attempting to overthrow the country, or that vaccinations are being prepared to reduce religious belief, should be of concern to anyone who values rational objectivity over irrational appeals to prejudice and bigotry.

    This paradox that some Americans can embrace everything modern science and technology can provide, yet at the same time believe positively medieval superstitions has been an object of bemusement to many Europeans for some time.
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      I believe in drinking blood, eating flesh, and dead people coming back to life.

      Are you Catholic?
      "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        What law of logic supports believing in the supernatural? Please be specific. You believe in these forces therefore I assume you have some logical basis for your beliefs.
        Nope, you don't get to turn it around. Again, what law of logic does believing in God or a spiritual world violate? Be specific please.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #34
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Nope, you don't get to turn it around. Again, what law of logic does believing in God or a spiritual world violate? Be specific please.
          You are the one who considers it to be perfectly rational to believe in demons. Kindly explain your reasons.
          "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            Light/good/justice always prevails. It is the basis of every folk tale I can think of. Your belief therefore holds that your side will win. Wherein lies the problem?

            Why do you need to be your deity's law enforcement agents? Can this deity not do that for itself?
            I have no idea what your point is. What is the problem with creating creatures that are free - free to do good or evil?

            There is a saying, if you cannot beat them, join them. It is also good to hold up the mirror to smug complacency.
            I'm glad you recognize your smug complacency...
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              You are the one who considers it to be perfectly rational to believe in demons. Kindly explain your reasons.
              I said nothing about whether it was rational or not, stop fibbing. And stop avoiding the question: Again, what law of logic does believing in God or a spiritual world violate? Be specific please.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #37
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                I said nothing about whether it was rational or not, stop fibbing. And stop avoiding the question: Again, what law of logic does believing in God or a spiritual world violate? Be specific please.
                You wrote "Well I would say that the majority of Christians, here and in the rest of the world, believe in some degree of demonic influence."

                When I asked "Why and on what basis?" You replied "The teachings of Christ and the New Testament in general. We are Christian after all"

                So, what is the rational basis for your belief in demonic influence?
                "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  I believe in drinking blood, eating flesh, and dead people coming back to life.
                  Me too. Along with things like virgin birth.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    You wrote "Well I would say that the majority of Christians, here and in the rest of the world, believe in some degree of demonic influence."

                    When I asked "Why and on what basis?" You replied "The teachings of Christ and the New Testament in general. We are Christian after all"

                    So, what is the rational basis for your belief in demonic influence?
                    I said nothing about rational or non-rational - YOU did, now justify the claim. What law of logic does believing in God or a spiritual world violate? Be specific please.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      I said nothing about rational or non-rational - YOU did, now justify the claim. What law of logic does believing in God or a spiritual world violate? Be specific please.
                      I wrote "Only weird Americans and those who rely on the comforts of unreason" In reference to those who believe the things cited in the article.

                      Now if you want to take that up you will need to provide an explanation as to why you [you mentioned demonic influence as part of your belief] and those mentioned in the article are not relying on the comforts of unreason.

                      I am quite sure many rational individuals who believe in a deity of some kind do not automatically believe in demonic influences that can "take control of places and institutions, such as journalism, academia, and both municipal and federal bureaucracies or perceive "demons as central actors in world politics and everyday life. "

                      However, religious belief per se is not the topic of this thread.
                      "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Me too. Along with things like virgin birth.
                        Of course the question is, what did "virgin" mean to first century Judaism?
                        "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          I have no idea what your point is. What is the problem with creating creatures that are free - free to do good or evil?
                          What has that to do with folklore?
                          "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            What has that to do with folklore?
                            I have no idea what your question actually is - do you even know?
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              I wrote "Only weird Americans and those who rely on the comforts of unreason" In reference to those who believe the things cited in the article.

                              Now if you want to take that up you will need to provide an explanation as to why you [you mentioned demonic influence as part of your belief] and those mentioned in the article are not relying on the comforts of unreason.

                              I am quite sure many rational individuals who believe in a deity of some kind do not automatically believe in demonic influences that can "take control of places and institutions, such as journalism, academia, and both municipal and federal bureaucracies or perceive "demons as central actors in world politics and everyday life. "

                              However, religious belief per se is not the topic of this thread.
                              You are again trying to turn the argument around. Again most Christians believe in degrees of demonic influence, to you that is not rational - you said so, so stop avoiding the question or admit you can not answer it: What law of logic does believing in God or a spiritual world violate? Be specific please.
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Of course the question is, what did "virgin" mean to first century Judaism?
                                We know what it means in the New Testament concerning Mary.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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