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  • #31
    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    The word "evil" gets overused sometimes but it certainly applies here.
    There's certainly some malicious intent there.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      That's leftist mentality. Not surprising one bit.
      You wouldn't know the "leftist mentality" if it bit you.
      America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        What an absolutely disgusting and racist thing to say...
        I thought you wanted to know why blacks and whites get shot to death by the police at different rates! To put it another way; blacks are more accustomed than whites to being victims of police violence, and therefore they surrender more readily, before they are shot. But it probably, if you are right, improves their chances.
        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
        “not all there” - you know who you are

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        • #34
          Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
          I thought you wanted to know why blacks and whites get shot to death by the police at different rates! To put it another way; blacks are more accustomed than whites to being victims of police violence, and therefore they surrender more readily, before they are shot. But it probably, if you are right, improves their chances.
          That is such utter bullcrap. They experience more police brutality because they resist more. And they likely resist more because of the false mentality that they're victims of police racism.
          "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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          • #35
            Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            I thought you wanted to know why blacks and whites get shot to death by the police at different rates! To put it another way; blacks are more accustomed than whites to being victims of police violence, and therefore they surrender more readily, before they are shot. But it probably, if you are right, improves their chances.
            Evidence?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              Evidence?
              Don’t worry, it’s just pure, firstfloor’s guts, speculation. The subject is under-researched apparently.
              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
              “not all there” - you know who you are

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              • #37
                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                I think you should put on blackface for a week or two, and see how you get on.
                https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/f...eo16_fryer.pdf

                VI. Conclusion
                The issue of police violence and its racial incidence has become one of the most divisive topics in
                American discourse. Emotions run the gamut from outrage to indifference. Yet, very little data
                exists to understand whether racial disparities in police use of force exist or might be explained
                by situational factors inherent in the complexity of police-civilian interactions. Beyond the lack
                of data, the analysis of police behavior is fraught with difficulty including, but not limited to, the
                reliability of the data that does exist and the fact that one cannot randomly assign race.
                With these caveats in mind, this paper takes first steps into the treacherous terrain of understanding the nature and extent of racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of
                force, there are racial differences – sometimes quite large – in police use of force, even after accounting for a large set of controls designed to account for important contextual and behavioral
                factors at the time of the police-civilian interaction. Interestingly, as use of force increases from
                putting hands on a civilian to striking them with a baton, the overall probability of such an incident
                occurring decreases dramatically but the racial difference remains roughly constant. Even when
                officers report civilians have been compliant and no arrest was made, blacks are 21.3 (0.04) percent
                more likely to endure some form of force. Yet, on the most extreme use of force – officer-involved
                shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting
                for controls.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Protesters reportedly shouting slogans like "Death to the police!" showed up to the Los Angeles area hospital treating two law enforcement officers who were ambushed and shot on Saturday.

                  https://www.foxnews.com/us/protester...uties-ambushed
                  It goes without saying that I utterly condemn the behavior of these specific protesters if it is anything close to what is being reported here (not that I would trust Fox News to accurately report that the sky was blue).

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                    https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/f...eo16_fryer.pdf

                    VI. Conclusion
                    The issue of police violence and its racial incidence has become one of the most divisive topics in
                    American discourse. Emotions run the gamut from outrage to indifference. Yet, very little data
                    exists to understand whether racial disparities in police use of force exist or might be explained
                    by situational factors inherent in the complexity of police-civilian interactions. Beyond the lack
                    of data, the analysis of police behavior is fraught with difficulty including, but not limited to, the
                    reliability of the data that does exist and the fact that one cannot randomly assign race.
                    With these caveats in mind, this paper takes first steps into the treacherous terrain of understanding the nature and extent of racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of
                    force, there are racial differences – sometimes quite large – in police use of force, even after accounting for a large set of controls designed to account for important contextual and behavioral
                    factors at the time of the police-civilian interaction. Interestingly, as use of force increases from
                    putting hands on a civilian to striking them with a baton, the overall probability of such an incident
                    occurring decreases dramatically but the racial difference remains roughly constant. Even when
                    officers report civilians have been compliant and no arrest was made, blacks are 21.3 (0.04) percent
                    more likely to endure some form of force. Yet, on the most extreme use of force – officer-involved
                    shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting
                    for controls.
                    A more recent study, out this year, says differently:

                    White police officers are more likely to use force than their non-white counterparts, and especially in minority neighborhoods, according to a new study.

                    “White officers use force 60% more than black officers, and use gun force twice as often,” Mark Hoekstra, an economics professor at Texas A&M University, and CarlyWill Sloan, a doctoral candidate there, wrote in a paper published Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research. “While white and black officers use gun force at similar rates in white and racially-mixed neighborhoods, white officers are five times as likely to use gun force in predominantly black neighborhoods.”

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      A more recent study, out this year, says differently:

                      White police officers are more likely to use force than their non-white counterparts, and especially in minority neighborhoods, according to a new study.

                      “White officers use force 60% more than black officers, and use gun force twice as often,” Mark Hoekstra, an economics professor at Texas A&M University, and CarlyWill Sloan, a doctoral candidate there, wrote in a paper published Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research. “While white and black officers use gun force at similar rates in white and racially-mixed neighborhoods, white officers are five times as likely to use gun force in predominantly black neighborhoods.”
                      Re-read. Your study doesn't address the same topic. The study I posted deals with the use of force based on the race of the civilian. The study you posted deals with the use of force based on the race of the officer.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        A more recent study, out this year, says differently:

                        White police officers are more likely to use force than their non-white counterparts, and especially in minority neighborhoods, according to a new study.

                        “White officers use force 60% more than black officers, and use gun force twice as often,” Mark Hoekstra, an economics professor at Texas A&M University, and CarlyWill Sloan, a doctoral candidate there, wrote in a paper published Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research. “While white and black officers use gun force at similar rates in white and racially-mixed neighborhoods, white officers are five times as likely to use gun force in predominantly black neighborhoods.”
                        This proves "race is an important determinant of police use of force" but it doesn't prove white cops are using deadly force because they're racist. When liberal propagandists are convincing blacks on a national level that white racist cops are indiscriminately hunting them down for no reason other than they're black, blacks are going to view white cops as the enemy and thus be more belligerent when they confront white cops and less likely to cooperate. If you're a black person, who wants to cooperate with a white racist cop? Then it becomes a vicious loop. White cops become more belligerent when they confront blacks because of past experiences.
                        "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                          Re-read. Your study doesn't address the same topic. The study I posted deals with the use of force based on the race of the civilian. The study you posted deals with the use of force based on the race of the officer.
                          Read more carefully. The study I posted analyses both the race of the officer and the racial composition of the neighbourhood the event took place in. Common sense should tell you it will be rare to find a white person committing a crime in a 100% black neighbourhood, and that nearly all crimes committed in black neighbourhoods will be by black people.

                          Their key finding was: “While white and black officers use gun force at similar rates in white and racially-mixed neighborhoods, white officers are five times as likely to use gun force in predominantly black neighborhoods.” Basically, white cops became super trigger-happy when they went into all-black areas.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Basically, white cops became super trigger-happy when they went into all-black areas.
                            Perhaps white cops are just more fearful in black communities.

                            A new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences demolishes the Democratic narrative regarding race and police shootings, which holds that white officers are engaged in an epidemic of racially biased shootings of black men. It turns out that white officers are no more likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot black civilians. It is a racial group’s rate of violent crime that determines police shootings, not the race of the officer. The more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that members of that racial group will be shot by a police officer. In fact, if there is a bias in police shootings after crime rates are taken into account, it is against white civilians, the study found.

                            https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ore-shootings/

                            Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings

                            We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers. Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race. This suggests that increasing diversity among officers by itself is unlikely to reduce racial disparity in police shootings.

                            https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              This proves "race is an important determinant of police use of force" but it doesn't prove white cops are using deadly force because they're racist.
                              I agree. This is why it is common for liberals and academics to emphasise that they are not claiming all police are racist, but rather saying that the system as a whole has race-based outcomes.

                              As I pointed out in the thread on Critical Race Theory, that particular theory "argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors." So it is not a matter of saying that each and every white officer hates blacks and is racist and shoots them at every opportunity - that would be an "individual and psychological" factor. What you lay out in the following paragraph would be an example of the cultural assumptions, that are the sort of society-wide explanations that academics and liberals tend to be interested in:
                              blacks are going to view white cops as the enemy and thus be more belligerent when they confront white cops and less likely to cooperate. If you're a black person, who wants to cooperate with a white racist cop? Then it becomes a vicious loop. White cops become more belligerent when they confront blacks because of past experiences.
                              While this is an interesting theory, and could explain some of the data, anecdotally I've got reason to think that the general behavior is the opposite to what you describe: That black people in the US know white cops are a bit trigger-happy, so they know they've got to make a huge effort to be extra meek and extra compliant when around white cops. Whereas white people have the belief that cops aren't going to hurt them, so I've seen videos of white people getting up in cops faces and screaming at them, with no consequences.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                I agree. This is why it is common for liberals and academics to emphasise that they are not claiming all police are racist, but rather saying that the system as a whole has race-based outcomes.

                                As I pointed out in the thread on Critical Race Theory, that particular theory "argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors." So it is not a matter of saying that each and every white officer hates blacks and is racist and shoots them at every opportunity - that would be an "individual and psychological" factor. What you lay out in the following paragraph would be an example of the cultural assumptions, that are the sort of society-wide explanations that academics and liberals tend to be interested in:
                                While this is an interesting theory, and could explain some of the data, anecdotally I've got reason to think that the general behavior is the opposite to what you describe: That black people in the US know white cops are a bit trigger-happy, so they know they've got to make a huge effort to be extra meek and extra compliant when around white cops. Whereas white people have the belief that cops aren't going to hurt them, so I've seen videos of white people getting up in cops faces and screaming at them, with no consequences.
                                Only problem with your theory is the visual evidence that disproves your theory. We know from video evidence blacks don't cooperate with white cops, hence the reason, in most cases, they end up getting hurt or shot.
                                "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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