American Christianity’s White-Supremacy Problem

[shunyadragon]

No, that just means you are denying your subconscious racism. Didn't you read "White Fragility?"

Yes, but it is meaningless and does not address the issue of 'White Supremacy and White Nationalism.'

[Cow Poke]

No, that just means you are denying your subconscious racism. Didn't you read "White Fragility?"

I did not read "White Fragility", nor is it on my bucket list.

[seer]

I hereby denounce white supremacy without hesitancy and equivocation.

Next?

No, that just means you are denying your subconscious racism. Didn't you read "White Fragility?"

[Gondwanaland]

The problem is pandemic

Covid on the brain?

and continues to today more than just 19th century slavery. In fact penal servitude slavery continued up into the twentieth century. Hitler very much admired the destruction and burning of black neighborhoods in the 20th century. Anglo Saxon tribal White Supremacy and Nationalism is alive and well today.

SO let's hear all the various apologies I noted.

[Gondwanaland]

I think the point you have missed is that, within the structures of US white Christianity is inherent white supremacism. Christianity was used to enforce injustice and inequality and many white Christians today retain prejudices towards ethnic and racial minorities, and generalised negative attitudes towards Black Americans [including their treatment by the police and the justice system].

The comparison between white American Christianity and Germany's Nazi past is very weak because Nazism was not a guiding principle that underpinned German society for over two hundred years, unlike white Christianity in the USA.

I didn't miss any point. You brought up slavery of your own volition. Not a single person alive today had anything to do with slavery in the US. There ARE still people alive today that served in the Nazi regime.

If the former need to 'apologize' for slavery they had nothing to do with (hell, many likely only immigrated after slavery was ended), then Germans like yourself sure as hell need to be apologizing for your nation's actions. And as I noted, Africans need to apologize for their part in enslaving fellow africans and selling them to various countries, and muslims need to apologize to white people for mass-enslaving them in the past. I'm sorry you don't like your silly logic extended through reality.

And the kicker: I don't think a single one of those groups/people belonging to those groups need to apologize for anything other than anything they personally have done wrong. Not their ancestors, and sure as hell not things people they're not even related to did. That's a puerile liberal SJW load of nonsense.

[Cow Poke]

"Any 'church' that cannot denounce white supremacy without hesitancy and equivocation is a dead, Jesus-denying assembly," tweeted one African American Southern Baptist minister...

---Calling out harmful/toxic ideas is commendable. It is important.
But...can one create a comprehensive and consistent ethico-moral world-view without affirming all concepts of supremacy are potentially problematic? Can picking only some ideas of supremacy for condemnation while not examining others, provide wholistic solutions?

I hereby denounce white supremacy without hesitancy and equivocation.

Next?

[CivilDiscourse]

I think the point you have missed is that, within the structures of US white Christianity is inherent white supremacism. Christianity was used to enforce injustice and inequality and many white Christians today retain prejudices towards ethnic and racial minorities, and generalised negative attitudes towards Black Americans [including their treatment by the police and the justice system].

The comparison between white American Christianity and Germany's Nazi past is very weak because Nazism was not a guiding principle that underpinned German society for over two hundred years, unlike white Christianity in the USA.

Ummm.....Duh?

The us is a majority christian country. It is currently 65% of the population, and was much higher not that long ago. It's no surprise that a country who was very religious when these groups formed would have that religion as part of it's beliefs. Is it any wonder that bad groups from muslim countries have an underpinning of Muslim in them?

Take any group, harmful, peaceful, tolerant, intolerant, in the US and there is a good chance that not too long ago, it held christianity as a part of it's beliefs.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Just because you reject Christ doesn't mean anyone thinks Christ's teachings are corrupted.

That is poor critical thinking.

For instance you and your family's belief the moon is made of cheese, has no effect upon it's actual state of being.

Therefore any man or woman who hates his brother, like a white supremacist, is made of cheese.

Do you actually read posts before you reply? Or do you just register the contributor's pseudonym and proceed to reply to what you think they have written?

[Maranatha]

That American Christianity is so deeply linked with white supremacy will no doubt affront many but the evidence has been presented and while many white Christians will publicly apologise for the history of slavery, condemn segregation, and reject the views and admissions of openly white supremacists, it is alarming that among many white Christians those underlying racist/supremacist tendencies still exist.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/unde...remacy-problem

this tacit shared commitment to white superiority and black inferiority, was a central bridge that fostered the rather swift reconciliation between southern and northern whites overall, and southern and northern white Christians specifically.New Yorker article continues:

Just because you reject Christ doesn't mean anyone thinks Christ's teachings are corrupted.

That is poor critical thinking.

For instance you and your family's belief the moon is made of cheese, has no effect upon it's actual state of being.

Therefore any man or woman who hates his brother, like a white supremacist, is made of cheese.

[Starlight]

The KKK did burn crosses after all.

And the US's biggest protestant denomination, the Southern Baptists, became the Southern Baptists when they split off from the other Baptists due to supporting slavery.

And the US's second-biggest protestant denomination, the Methodists, had George Whitefield as one of its founders, who successfully lobbied for the un-banning of slavery in Georgia, as he viewed the ban on him owning slaves as the cause of his financial woes.

Good times.

[shunyadragon]

WHy should they have to apologize for something they were not involved in?

Have you apologized for the Nazis? That happened a hell of a lot closer to current day than slavery in the US.

Do people coming to the US from Africa have to apologize for the history of Africans selling other africans into slavery?

Do Muslims have to apologize to white people for the history of Islamic enslavement of whites?


Oh we're condemning segregation now? Last I checked that (Segregation) is the new working policy of the far left. Over in Britain they're building a blacks only university IIRC. Here in the US on universities, they are setting up 'no whites' zones/rooms.

Did that all suddenly change?

The problem is pandemic and continues to today more than just 19th century slavery. In fact penal servitude slavery continued up into the twentieth century. Hitler very much admired the destruction and burning of black neighborhoods in the 20th century. Anglo Saxon tribal White Supremacy and Nationalism is alive and well today.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

WHy should they have to apologize for something they were not involved in?

Have you apologized for the Nazis? That happened a hell of a lot closer to current day than slavery in the US.

Do people coming to the US from Africa have to apologize for the history of Africans selling other africans into slavery?

Do Muslims have to apologize to white people for the history of Islamic enslavement of whites?


Oh we're condemning segregation now? Last I checked that (Segregation) is the new working policy of the far left. Over in Britain they're building a blacks only university IIRC. Here in the US on universities, they are setting up 'no whites' zones/rooms.

Did that all suddenly change?

I think the point you have missed is that, within the structures of US white Christianity is inherent white supremacism. Christianity was used to enforce injustice and inequality and many white Christians today retain prejudices towards ethnic and racial minorities, and generalised negative attitudes towards Black Americans [including their treatment by the police and the justice system].

The comparison between white American Christianity and Germany's Nazi past is very weak because Nazism was not a guiding principle that underpinned German society for over two hundred years, unlike white Christianity in the USA.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The good news is that, just over three years ago, the Southern Baptist Convention voted to denounce white supremacy and the alt-right movement. Baby steps, baby steps...

https://www.wglt.org/post/southern-b...-past#stream/0

Southern Baptist Pastor Confronts His Own, Church's Racial Past
June 22, 2017

The Southern Baptist Convention, one of the largest denominations in the country, voted recently to denounce white supremacy and the alt-right movement, but not without controversy.

Initially, church leaders tried to table the resolution, which was proposed by a prominent African American pastor. The vote proceeded, however, following a backlash from members who condemned the alt-right movement as a "growing menace" to society and recalled the Southern Baptists' painful history of promoting and sustaining slavery.

"Any 'church' that cannot denounce white supremacy without hesitancy and equivocation is a dead, Jesus-denying assembly," tweeted one African American Southern Baptist minister...

And we [you and I] have seen posts elsewhere that have on occasion quite flagrantly demonstrated those prejudices. I have even noted some here that appear [and I use that word cautiously] to echo some of the same.

[Rushing Jaws]

[siam]

"Any 'church' that cannot denounce white supremacy without hesitancy and equivocation is a dead, Jesus-denying assembly," tweeted one African American Southern Baptist minister...

---Calling out harmful/toxic ideas is commendable. It is important.
But...can one create a comprehensive and consistent ethico-moral world-view without affirming all concepts of supremacy are potentially problematic? Can picking only some ideas of supremacy for condemnation while not examining others, provide wholistic solutions?