American Christianity’s White-Supremacy Problem

[Gondwanaland]

No it makes him the CEO and Founder of PRRI and also an academic and commentator on religion, culture, and politics.

And we should care why?

He serves on the national programme committee for the American Academy of Religion, which is the world's largest association of scholars in the field of religious studies and related topics.

Never heard of it.

He is also a past member of the editorial boards for the Journal of the American Academy of Religion, and Politics and Religion, a journal of the American Political Science Association.

His academic credentials are a Ph.D in religion, a M.Div, and a B.Sc. in computing science and mathematics.

And? How do those credentials make his racemongering magically legitimate?

[Gondwanaland]

I repeat again that Nazism was not a guiding principle that underpinned German society for over two hundred years, unlike white Christianity in the USA.

SO you refuse to apologize for what your nation did in WWII, but expect Christians, based on their skin color (even though many likely come from far more recent migrations and their ancestors were likely not even in the country back then), to apologize for something that ended 150+ years ago. IOW, you're a flaming hypocrite. Got it.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

SO you refuse to apologize for what your nation did in WWII, but expect Christians, based on their skin color, to apologize for something that ended 150+ years ago. IOW, you're a flaming hypocrite. Got it.

It is not about apologising - from where do you get that bizarre notion?

Jones' book points out that many White Christian Americans still hold prejudices [particularly towards Black Americans] that have their roots in the way Christianity was used to reinforce and defend white supremacy and also to hinder and actively prevent equality for blacks.

It is those underlying prejudices which are revealed in surveys that white Christian Americans have to address.

Jones points out that over the last forty years or so some white churches and theologians have started to make serious attempts to do this and that the work is promising and the future is hopeful, but it is still in its early stages.

However, he also points to many other white Christian leaders and theologians, who, while acknowledging the past and Christianity's part in the oppression and inequality inflicted on black Americans, are, when it comes to offering practical solutions to address injustices and repair the damage of past inequality that has led to the situation today, less willing to be proactive.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

And we should care why?

Those are his credentials

Never heard of it.

I daresay it is just one among the myriad things you personally have never heard of, but so what?

And? How do those credentials make his racemongering magically legitimate?

In what way do you perceive that pointing out historically attested facts and engaging in present day research among white Christian Americans should be construed as "racemongering"?

[oxmixmudd]

Your post appears to have little to do with the article or the OP and until you actually employ quotes in support of your contentions I am not addressing the main body of your reply

Your ignorance over the origins and history of anti-Semitism is quite alarming. It was not as you allege "a guiding principle that underpinned Germany for centuries" [my emphasis] given that "Germany" did not exist until 1871.

Anti-Semitism can be found in every Christian Western nation. There were various anti-Semitic groups/political parties across Europe in the 1920s and 1930s including affiliated Nazi parties, and where the Nazis invaded they found plenty of willing collaborators to denounce and/or help round up Jews. Without that local assistance the Gestapo could not have done its job.

Conversely many Germans risked [and lost] their lives helping to hide Jews or get Jews to safety.

Hence it was not a black and white situation with only "baddie Germans" which is how you appear to envisage it.

Anti semitism was an odd sort of outgrowth from catholicism and the christ killer sub text. But it is, in fact contrary to nearly everything the faith teaches. It is one of those extreme examples of why we need to be saved from our sin nature, in that what is in us will use even that which is good for evil.

Another way to look at it that might be more acceptable to you is that hatred can twist the truth into a cause for evil, even when that truth in its pure form should bring out what is good in us instead.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

What a bag of gas!

I referred to your fatuous remarks not your flatulent remarks.

[Cow Poke]

I referred to your fatuous remarks not your flatulent remarks.

You really do think you're clever.

[Gondwanaland]

It is not about apologising - from where do you get that bizarre notion?

You don't remember what you post? Good grief. "and while many white Christians will publicly apologise for the history of slavery"

So let's see your apology.

Jones' book points out that many White Christian Americans still hold prejudices [particularly towards Black Americans] that have their roots in the way Christianity was used to reinforce and defend white supremacy and also to hinder and actively prevent equality for blacks.

I don't give a flying turd what your pet race monger author has to say. My objection was to you and your words, that you chose to write.

It is those underlying prejudices which are revealed in surveys that white Christian Americans have to address.

Jones points out that over the last forty years or so some white churches and theologians have started to make serious attempts to do this and that the work is promising and the future is hopeful, but it is still in its early stages.

However, he also points to many other white Christian leaders and theologians, who, while acknowledging the past and Christianity's part in the oppression and inequality inflicted on black Americans, are, when it comes to offering practical solutions to address injustices and repair the damage of past inequality that has led to the situation today, less willing to be proactive.

Couldn't care less what he has to say.

[Gondwanaland]

Those are his credentials

And?

I daresay it is just one among the myriad things you personally have never heard of, but so what?

And why should I care about it?

In what way do you perceive that pointing out historically attested facts and engaging in present day research among white Christian Americans should be construed as "racemongering"?

Sorry I don't care about your racemongering 'academic', or his two books. Just more critical race theory bullcrap.

[Gondwanaland]

Anti semitism was an odd sort of outgrowth from catholicism and the christ killer sub text. But it is, in fact contrary to nearly everything the faith teaches. It is one of those extreme examples of why we need to be saved from our sin nature, in that what is in us will use even that which is good for evil.

Another way to look at it that might be more acceptable to you is that hatred can twist the truth into a cause for evil, even when that truth in its pure form should bring out what is good in us instead.

Anti-semitism and blood libel existed long before Catholicism, and long before the founder of Christianity even lived.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Anti semitism was an odd sort of outgrowth from catholicism and the christ killer sub text.

If by "catholicism" you mean the Western Catholic church then I must disagree. Western anti-Judaism [later anti-Semitism] has its roots in various NT texts as well as the ante and post Nicene ECFs.

But it is, in fact contrary to nearly everything the faith teaches.

Unfortunately it is to be found being put into the mouth of Jesus in John's gospel, a text that is rabidly anti-Judaic. That work as it has come down to us even has the Jews crucifying Jesus; although if you read all four canonical gospels the language concerning "they" and who "they" were in each text's description of the crucifixion is far from clear. Matthew's gospel also has the blood libel [27.25]

Another way to look at it that might be more acceptable to you is that hatred can twist the truth into a cause for evil, even when that truth in its pure form should bring out what is good in us instead.

The topic of this thread is not my search for the Lord. I read the article and ordered the book. I also thought that, given the various threads that have been posted here concerning the present tensions in the USA, it would be a an interesting topic for the board.

Christianity in America has historically been used used by white Christians to assert their dominance over black Americans, to justify brutality and violence against black Americans [and I am not solely referring to slavery], and to hinder and prevent black Americans from obtaining both equality and their civil rights. None of that can be either denied or ignored.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You really do think you're clever.

Oh CP I do not think I am clever.

[Cow Poke]

Oh CP I do not think I am clever.

Good.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Anti-semitism and blood libel existed long before Catholicism, and long before the founder of Christianity even lived.

You are confusing terms. There was anti-Jewish resentment particularly in Alexandria in the late first century BCE and early first century CE but it had nothing to do with the Jewish religion. The blood libel did not exist prior to the NT texts. The accusation made by Apion is of ritual slaughter or blood sacrifice [which is not blood libel] and cannibalism. The Greek is supposedly to be offered up as a blood sacrifice like an animal, and like the animal his flesh would then be eaten.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You don't remember what you post? Good grief. "and while many white Christians will publicly apologise for the history of slavery"

Let us contextualise that little quote mine,"but the evidence has been presented and while many white Christians will publicly apologise for the history of slavery, condemn segregation, and reject the views and admissions of openly white supremacists, it is alarming that among many white Christians those underlying racist/supremacist tendencies still exist.

Now the history of slavery is put into its appropriate context beside those other iniquities, and the comment is made that among many white Christians the prevalence of those underlying prejudices are still extant.

Couldn't care less what he has to say.

It is duly noted that you are unable to address a question posed in response to your own comments but more to the point, if you do not care what Jones has to say, why accuse him of "racemongering [whatever that is]?

Or is that one of your stream of consciousness moments?