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American Christianity’s White-Supremacy Problem

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    He's a little late to the party.... from 1995 - TWENTY FIVE YEARS ago...
    The link I posted mentions the two previous resolutions:

    "In 1995, the Convention formally apologized for its support of slavery. In 2015, it passed a resolution calling for racial reconciliation. Last week's resolution denouncing white nationalism passed overwhelmingly."
    "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." - P. J. O'Rourke

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    • #62
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      I have a hard time believing people when they say they "don't see race". Believing that it's no big deal or considering it as an afterthought, I can absolutely believe that. But unless you have something similar to a form of face blindness, I have a hard time believing that.
      I have functioning eyes, so of course I can see when I'm interacting with a non-white person, but it doesn't have any influence on how I treat them, so I'm "color blind" in that sense.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #63
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        I have a hard time believing people when they say they "don't see race". Believing that it's no big deal or considering it as an afterthought, I can absolutely believe that. But unless you have something similar to a form of face blindness, I have a hard time believing that.
        Everyone makes assumptions based on all sorts of things: race, gender, clothes, hygiene, height, weight, even subliminal things like symmetry ... just many things. And everyone is prejudiced, in that we prejudge based on appearance. If we allow those first impressions to affect our objectivity, our behavior or our sense of fairness then it becomes a problem.

        IMO

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Okay, maybe you didn't directly, but the article you cited and commented on certainly did, and then you implied that anybody who disputes the claims is not sincerely concerned about the words of Jesus Christ being corrupted.
          Citations are required to substantiate your allegation.

          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          And now you do it again, insisting that the book "is discussing underlying attitudes of superiority and white supremacy that were and still are held by many white American Christians".
          The book is written by an academic who specialises in religion, culture, and politics and examines the history of white American Christianity and the way Christianity has been used to maintain white supremacy over blacks.

          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          It's a sweeping accusation that no individual can defend himself against, because if we deny it, then, as the theory goes, that just proves we're just part of the problem.
          It's not personal MM. Nor is it about anyone defending themselves.

          The book points out that two centuries of American white Christian supremacy has left a lasting impression and many white Christian Americans today still hold prejudices towards black Americans, other minorities [including racial minorities] that echo those earlier prejudices held by white Christian America [WCA]. Many white Christian Americans are anxious about the way the country is going and hark back to a period of American history when white Protestantism was the undisputed cultural power.

          Present day America is no longer that country. The proportion of white Christians in the country, while still comprising the largest single group, had slipped in 2014 to below a majority and was down to 47%. Today it is no doubt even lower. Furthermore, if members of that percentage are restricted to only include the descendants of WCA, i.e. white mainstream Protestants and white evangelical Protestants then the percentage would be even further.

          Clearly some, if not many members of present day WCA, find that alarming, particularly when religiously unaffiliated Americans is a group that is rapidly growing.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Wait, an AFRICAN AMERICAN BAPTIST MINISTER, who is a SOUTHERN BAPTIST?!?!?!?!?

            You mean, us WHITE SUPREMACIST Southern Baptists allowed an AFRICAN AMERICAN MINISTER to be among our ranks? And he CHOSE TO BE Southern Baptist?????
            Making fatuous remarks can be very entertaining but they do not adequately address the complex issues in this topic. You ought to read Robert P Jones' books, he's written two.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
              ...racist nature of America today...
              America does not have a racist nature.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                Citations are required to substantiate your allegation.
                People can read the opening post for themselves. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are.
                Last edited by Mountain Man; 09-07-2020, 07:14 PM.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                  Making fatuous remarks can be very entertaining but they do not adequately address the complex issues in this topic. You ought to read Robert P Jones' books, he's written two.
                  Wow two whole books? Amazing! Why, everyone knows that once you write that second book, whatever you say is correct and accurate!

                  What a kneeslapper. My daughter wrote her first book (published in traditional press) at age 16 and has three under her belt now upon her graduation from college, with a contract for another already signed. Writing two books does not magically make you important/believable/honest/accurate/worthy-of-listening-to/etc.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Hey we did not put millions in ovens
                    White Americans just beat, starved, hunted and worked millions to death and then lynched a few thousand more for the crime of being black or for daring to try and exercise their civil rights.

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    I bet you have Nazi party members in your past relations...
                    The moronic assumption that all present day Germans had family members in the Nazi party ignores Germans from various ethnic minorities, including Jews as well as those whose forebears suffered under the Nazis for daring to be of a different political persuasion.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                      Wow two whole books? Amazing! Why, everyone knows that once you write that second book, whatever you say is correct and accurate!

                      What a kneeslapper. My daughter wrote her first book (published in traditional press) at age 16 and has three under her belt now upon her graduation from college, with a contract for another already signed. Writing two books does not magically make you important/believable/honest/accurate/worthy-of-listening-to/etc.
                      If the books are problem simply read the USA history.
                      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                      go with the flow the river knows . . .

                      Frank

                      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                        Wow two whole books? Amazing! Why, everyone knows that once you write that second book, whatever you say is correct and accurate!

                        What a kneeslapper. My daughter wrote her first book (published in traditional press) at age 16 and has three under her belt now upon her graduation from college, with a contract for another already signed. Writing two books does not magically make you important/believable/honest/accurate/worthy-of-listening-to/etc.
                        How many books did L. Ron Hubbard write again? All combined it must be nearly 50. That makes him 25X more accurate than Robert P Jones.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                          Wow two whole books? Amazing! Why, everyone knows that once you write that second book, whatever you say is correct and accurate!
                          Do they?


                          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                          My daughter wrote her first book (published in traditional press) at age 16 and has three under her belt now upon her graduation from college, with a contract for another already signed. Writing two books does not magically make you important/believable/honest/accurate/worthy-of-listening-to/etc.
                          Well that is a delightful back-handed compliment to your daughter, as according to what you have written she is clearly neither "believable/honest/accurate/worthy-of-listening-to/etc ".

                          Have you informed her of your opinion of her literary credentials?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                            How many books did L. Ron Hubbard write again? All combined it must be nearly 50. That makes him 25X more accurate than Robert P Jones.
                            Jones has written two books on White Christian America. That is a specific subject area.

                            Of course writing books does not automatically assume accuracy. However, accredited academics [as is Jones] writing in their discipline is a different matter.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              White Americans just beat, starved, hunted and worked millions to death and then lynched a few thousand more for the crime of being black or for daring to try and exercise their civil rights.
                              Like the Civil rights of the Jews?

                              The moronic assumption that all present day Germans had family members in the Nazi party ignores Germans from various ethnic minorities, including Jews as well as those whose forebears suffered under the Nazis for daring to be of a different political persuasion.
                              Be honest Hypatia, how many Nazi party members do you have in your family tree? Grand Father, a few Great Uncles?
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by seer View Post
                                Like the Civil rights of the Jews?
                                You do know that the Nazis murdered around eleven million souls, don't you? They started with their political opponents and then moved on to the disabled.

                                Originally posted by seer View Post

                                Be honest Hypatia, how many Nazi party members do you have in your family tree? Grand Father, a few Great Uncles?
                                I might as well ask you how many lynch mob uncles and great uncles do you have? Or how many rapacious landlords or sweatshop employers that abused and mistreated immigrant employees are in your family history?
                                Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 09-07-2020, 07:47 PM.

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