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  • #46
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Cool, a person who hasn't gone to school is gonna tell the people who have gone to school about what happens in schools.

    My earlier post applies:


    As to your claim:
    That did not in any way occur during my schooling in a European colony.
    You are either lucky or just blind to the influences. However, you probably would have exposure to only the earliest phases of this. I guess you were in secondary school before the gay agenda too.

    Haha. Are you saying that I learned Engineering on my own? That is quite a remarkable claim about me. It implies I'm a supergenius. No problem with you having that impression about me.


    Does this mean that postmodernism philosophy was not pursued by French Marxist thinkers? Are you saying that postmodernism doesn't support (or lead to) the idea that knowledge is simply a power struggle? Christianity is then one of those groups in power that must be forced out of the way so that people can be liberated. I'm not sure how this is friendly to the message of freedom and unity provided through the reconciliation with God through the death and resurrection of Christ.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
      However, you probably would have exposure to only the earliest phases of this. I guess you were in secondary school before the gay agenda too.
      There was not a single mention of gay anything during my schooling. The topic wasn't ever mentioned even once.

      That wasn't in America though, where from the way you guys hyperventilate about it, I'd have to assume they make it compulsory for the kids to have gay sex.

      It implies I'm a supergenius. No problem with you having that impression about me.
      Don't worry on that account.

      Does this mean that postmodernism philosophy was not pursued by French Marxist thinkers? Are you saying that postmodernism doesn't support (or lead to) the idea that knowledge is simply a power struggle?
      Postmodernism was a very diverse movement. It's difficult to make statements that are true about the whole of it, as opposed to describing small parts of it at a time.

      Christianity is then one of those groups in power that must be forced out of the way so that people can be liberated. I'm not sure how this is friendly to the message of freedom and unity provided through the reconciliation with God through the death and resurrection of Christ.
      The works of the theologian Karl Barth were particularly popular in a postmodern context, as was Liberation Theology.

      It's probably more correct to think of postmodernism as criticising the Pharisees that Christian leadership and many churches around the world had become, rather than being opposed to Christianity itself. Postmodernists typically had no issue at all with individuals having religious experiences, they had issue with people in position of power and authority using religion to bolster their rule over others. In that sense postmodernism vs established Christianity followed a very Jesus vs the Pharisees type paradigm.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        There was not a single mention of gay anything during my schooling. The topic wasn't ever mentioned even once.

        That wasn't in America though, where from the way you guys hyperventilate about it, I'd have to assume they make it compulsory for the kids to have gay sex.

        Don't worry on that account.

        Postmodernism was a very diverse movement. It's difficult to make statements that are true about the whole of it, as opposed to describing small parts of it at a time.

        The works of the theologian Karl Barth were particularly popular in a postmodern context, as was Liberation Theology.

        It's probably more correct to think of postmodernism as criticising the Pharisees that Christian leadership and many churches around the world had become, rather than being opposed to Christianity itself. Postmodernists typically had no issue at all with individuals having religious experiences, they had issue with people in position of power and authority using religion to bolster their rule over others. In that sense postmodernism vs established Christianity followed a very Jesus vs the Pharisees type paradigm.
        Funny how you totally contradict yourself and think you have made an argument against what i said. You are saying that postmodernism is used to overthrow the Christian teachers... except that you malign them by saying the focus is on "bolster[ing] their rule over others." So you are saying that some people think that the Christian "rulers' have abused power and that these people think this is grounds for destroying the gospel. This sounds like self-serving nonsense by those postmodern protestors.
        You get worse by comparing this to Jesus vs. the Pharisees, as if the postmodernists had the insight that Jesus had. (Indeed there are some areas that Christianity was messing up on -- for example by scaring away homosexuals, since the gospel is intended to reach all people that may hear the voice of the Shepherd. But this is not reason to destroy Christianity.)

        However, I still thank you for confirming what I said ... especially about my supergenius status.

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        • #49
          And now we have this story that sounds like something the Babylon Bee would come up with, but, no, it's real:

          Somebody at the University of Michigan thought it would actually be a good idea to host a "whites only" event where white people could get together and talk about how hard it is being white. That's right, liberals have pushed us so far around the bend that we've circled back to straight up segregation. Of course the event was immediately criticized, and the university quickly had a change of heart, but the fact that it even got to the point where it was published on the University of Michigan website tells you just how insane political correctness has become.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            And now we have this story that sounds like something the Babylon Bee would come up with, but, no, it's real:

            Somebody at the University of Michigan thought it would actually be a good idea to host a "whites only" event where white people could get together and talk about how hard it is being white. That's right, liberals have pushed us so far around the bend that we've circled back to straight up segregation. Of course the event was immediately criticized, and the university quickly had a change of heart, but the fact that it even got to the point where it was published on the University of Michigan website tells you just how insane political correctness has become.
            Or liberals finally ready to show their true colors to the public. In fact, it almost looks like they were testing the waters to see if society was fully acclimated to it yet. Wasn't there a thread on here about California actually repealing Affirmative Action?

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            • #51
              "White Hispanic" host of The View says that black Republicans are "props".

              https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...props-n2575949
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Somebody at the University of Michigan thought it would actually be a good idea to host a "whites only" event where white people could get together and talk about how hard it is being white. That's right, liberals have pushed us so far around the bend that we've circled back to straight up segregation.
                Where is the evidence that this was done by liberals?

                As, opposed, say, done by a conservative who was trolling to see if (a) they could create an inflammatory story by the uni letting this go ahead; or (b) they could create an inflammatory story by the uni not letting this go ahead.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  "White Hispanic" host of The View says that black Republicans are "props".

                  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...props-n2575949
                  Duh? That's obviously true.

                  Whenever there's a couple of black people at the lily-white Trump rallies they get put behind the stage so the video of the rally makes it look as if black people support Trump. And the number of black people who spoke at the RNC was about 3 times the number of Black people in Trump's cabinet. Republicans seem very good at using black Republicans as props.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    Duh? That's obviously true.

                    Whenever there's a couple of black people at the lily-white Trump rallies they get put behind the stage so the video of the rally makes it look as if black people support Trump. And the number of black people who spoke at the RNC was about 3 times the number of Black people in Trump's cabinet. Republicans seem very good at using black Republicans as props.
                    Liberal translation: Blacks are gullible and too dumb to think for themselves, so they end up getting used as tokens by white republicans, their smarter superiors, as political props against their own best interest.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Where is the evidence that this was done by liberals?

                      As, opposed, say, done by a conservative who was trolling to see if (a) they could create an inflammatory story by the uni letting this go ahead; or (b) they could create an inflammatory story by the uni not letting this go ahead.
                      Probably because it's too absurd to be a rightwing hoax (at least those blind to how racist liberals actually are). No one would believe it or think it's just satire.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        Liberal translation: Blacks are gullible and too dumb to think for themselves, so they end up getting used as tokens by white republicans, their smarter superiors, as political props against their own best interest.
                        Obviously in any group there will be a small number who are much dumber than average within the group, or are much more willing to sell-out than average within the group.

                        You can find examples of that among scientists, some of whom are prepared to take big bucks from oil companies to pretend climate changes isn't occurring. So it's not a condemnation of blacks as a whole if a small number of them sell-out or are foolish enough to be used unwittingly by Republicans for political purposes.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Obviously in any group there will be a small number who are much dumber than average within the group, or are much more willing to sell-out than average within the group.

                          You can find examples of that among scientists, some of whom are prepared to take big bucks from oil companies to pretend climate changes isn't occurring. So it's not a condemnation of blacks as a whole if a small number of them sell-out or are foolish enough to be used unwittingly by Republicans for political purposes.
                          Well, I will say one thing, you at least don't hide your racism like most phony liberals do (though that's seems to be changing, as the racism of the left has been quite overt of late).

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                            Oops. I think you missed the earlier posts in this thread. I'll give you some time to catch up on the discussion.

                            I have not been exposed directly to the practices in schools today. However there are indications that across the European countries and colonies, as well as much of American schools, that kids are taught that the previous generations (including their parents) of whites have been part of systematic prejudices against minorities. The impression I have is that the children have been taught that their parents are ignorant of the bias but are still wrong. I just heard this attitude by a woman of her child. The children are taught what to think rather than how to logically figure things out.

                            Oh right. I forgot about the news and tv shows. I'm more familiar with the older sitcoms which always showed the husband as being an incompetent buffoon. The whole global warming doctrine is that the previous generations messed up the world and now it is up to the youth to overturn these evils.
                            What about any of that is anti-Christian?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                              What about any of that is anti-Christian?
                              Sorry. I didn't pull this together.

                              This philosophical/cultural shift has been turning children away from what has been a Christian culture in America. So, the distrust of parents (beyond just being evil in itself) has cut children off from the Christian heritage that was held by families in earlier generations. The communist practices have been to strip children from the parents and pushing the children to see the government as their parent. If children are dependent on the government, then it is the whims of government that determine what happens to the children.

                              I hope this is sufficient.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by siam View Post
                                The method of deconstruction cannot translate to unity precisely because the purpose of deconstruction is to "break into pieces"/de-construct in order to analyze.

                                Any vision of a just society based on Unity must first begin with an affirmation of equality---that all of humanity is one family...as such all are brothers. For Muslims, the concept of One God leads to the construction of the ethical principle that all humanity is of equivalent value---none superior/inferior to the other. For those who do not have One God as part of their ethical construction...other ideas might be substituted? Science affirms that human genetics favors the idea that humanity is closely related and this might be used to as a starting point of the idea of humanity as a family....?....thus leading to the principle that all human beings have certain basic (and perhaps inviolable?) rights and responsibilities

                                I do not propose that Unity = same. Instead a diversity of solutions would best fit human diversity. Therefore the construction of rights and responsibilities may differ---but if the starting point is that all humanity is equal (including the rights of children) and deserving of unearned basic rights simply because they are human beings, it may be possible to see more clearly how one needs to build (construct) systemic ethical justice....?.....

                                It is not enough to have an understanding of Justice/rights and responsibilities but also a clear understanding of Oppression/ lack of, or infringement of rights and systemic irresponsibility/lack of accountability.....

                                Unity does not mean same---lack of equality is built into our human ecosystem (life on earth). To force human beings into a shallow constructed equality (Communism) is not an ideal solution because to force (against ones will) = oppression. What we need is a society constructed on "negotiated freedom" under the principle that all humanity deserve basic (unearned) rights upon which degrees of freedom and responsibility can be negotiated.

                                Such a construction avoids the binary vision of us/them because the starting point is that of Equality (Equivalent value).....?...
                                Without an "other" to struggle against, wider systems of oppression might be seen and acknowledged more clearly? for example---It is said that Western (white) suffragettes were interested in getting the voting rights for themselves but were not interested in the voting rights of non-whites both men and women.
                                https://www.vox.com/2020/8/18/213589...-suffrage-vote
                                and...

                                The origins of the women's suffrage movement are tied to the Abolitionist movement. Upper-class white women in particular first articulated their own oppression in marriage and the private sphere using the metaphor of slavery, and they first developed a political consciousness by mobilizing in support of abolitionism. Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and Maria Weston Chapman were among the early female abolitionists. The Abolitionist cause provided women who were previously bound to their roles as wives and mothers the opportunity to publicly challenge sexism and learn how to politically engage as activists, though the African American women's suffrage movement was a different vein of women's suffrage, and one could even argue a different movement altogether. Abolitionists who headed the Equal Rights Association like Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony had a primarily white agenda. After the Civil War it became clear that black and white women had different views of why the right to vote was essential. Unlike white suffragists, Black women sought the ballot for themselves and their men to empower black communities besieged by the reign of racial terror that erupted after Emancipation in the late 1800s.
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...frage_movement

                                Can any culture based on foundations of supremacy/inferiority ever come up with wholistic systems of ethical justice and equality without dismantling that system first?

                                what are your thoughts?
                                It would be greatly beneficial if a society was unity-focused and began with an affirmation of equality, but it is all too easy for a people to pay lip service to unity while at the same time attacking it. The Declaration of Independence began "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." at the same time the writers owned slaves. Deconstruction is very useful because it allows us to pin-point specific problems and their relation to society so we can eliminate them. Considering the problems deconstruction have highlighted in modern times, what would it take for the US to become a "wholistic system of ethical justice and equality"? Progressives would have to go from the minority to the majority, meaning a significant demographic shift in the future, at least 40-60 years, and even then regressives/corporatists creating a system to retain power is possible. The only alternative imaginable is dismantling the system, which is why the current protests don't surprise me, and I expect we will see a great deal more of them - people see a future of unity within their grasp as well as its human obstacles. That's why I think deconstruction is the result of an absent path to unity.

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