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  • #31




    Just sayin'

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #32
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      He holds degrees in physics and mathematics, with a doctorate in the latter.
      Um, why would we want to hear about a social psychology and legal theory from a mathematician?

      You can bring a house to water and all that
      Doesn't sound like a good idea. I prefer my houses unflooded.
      he "decided not to hurt anybody because he did not have the means to kill enough people", Crown prosecutor Chris Lange told the Court.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Black privilege Trump and his cabinet's privilege: The ability to break every law in the country and still remain the victim
        Fixed that for you.
        he "decided not to hurt anybody because he did not have the means to kill enough people", Crown prosecutor Chris Lange told the Court.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Um, why would we want to hear about a social psychology and legal theory from a mathematician?
          Because he is an excellent researcher.

          Doesn't sound like a good idea. I prefer my houses unflooded.
          No you prefer to remain uninformed.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #35
            This video is phenomenal. Anyone wishing to understand the origin of CRT and the current problems should see this video
            Operation Trump - Successful As Planned: http://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=HOWKXGWW3N21

            This video extends Helen Pluckrose's video describin the pathway that led to postmodernism and the broad reach of Critical Race Theory.

            TrumpAndZucker.jpg

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            • #36
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              Critical race theory (CRT)[1] is a theoretical framework in the social sciences that examines society and culture as they relate to categorizations of race, law, and power.[2][3] Developed out of postmodern philosophy, it is based on critical theory, a social philosophy that argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors. It began as a theoretical movement within American law schools in the mid- to late 1980s as a reworking of critical legal studies on race issues,[4][5] and is loosely unified by two common themes. Firstly, CRT proposes that white supremacy and racial power are maintained over time, and in particular, that the law may play a role in this process. Secondly, CRT work has investigated the possibility of transforming the relationship between law and racial power, as well as pursuing a project of achieving racial emancipation and anti-subordination more broadly.[6]
              I don't follow. If you're saying that CRT looks at everything through power dynamics and race, that's fine, I'm not disagreeing, I just don't see how that's any different from other worldviews and is therefore a criticism specific to CRT. If you're saying that CRT does not look at everything through power dynamics and race, you are disagreeing with the article you presented as evidence for your argument.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by siam View Post
                There has been discussion among some Muslims about CRT (...and BLM, Feminism, and other social movements of "Western" origins). It is said that the (West) approach to social problems is to "deconstruct" in order to facilitate an analysis of the problem. Deconstruction is indeed a great tool for analysis. However, it is perhaps, not the best tool to "reconstruct" a better society? This is because it seems to require a "target" (us-vs-them) So...feminism is in opposition to patriarchy, BLM is in opposition to Police injustice, CRT is in opposition to white supremacy---etc. Binaries continue the language/imagery of division---and perhaps do not offer enough of a vision for wholistic/healed societies in a global context?

                In general Islamic ethical principles,... Tawheed (unity) is the basis for ethics and Shirk (Division) for disunity/injustice. Therefore the construction of a "just society" cannot begin with the language/imagery of binaries/divisions....it must begin with the language/imagery of unity. ....?
                How would you propose deconstruction be translated to the language/imagery of unity?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                  I don't follow. If you're saying that CRT looks at everything through power dynamics and race, that's fine, I'm not disagreeing, I just don't see how that's any different from other worldviews and is therefore a criticism specific to CRT. If you're saying that CRT does not look at everything through power dynamics and race, you are disagreeing with the article you presented as evidence for your argument.
                  My worldview does not look at everything through power and race. Does yours?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    My worldview does not look at everything through power and race. Does yours?
                    That's not what I mean. Different lifestyles/interests/backgrounds, like veganism, Christianity, Communism, fashion design, Italian-American heritage, etc., influence a person's world view, and for some people, their worldview is greatly encompassed by that concept. Just as someone who subscribes to CRT may look at everything through the lens of power and race, that's no different from a Christian or fashion designer who relates everything to their religion or interest. When the writer of the article says that CRT goes overboard by trying to classify everything, there's no reason that can't apply to veganism or Italian-American heritage. Seeing relevancy that isn't there is more dependent upon how an individual acts than a deficiency in the philosophy.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                      That's not what I mean. Different lifestyles/interests/backgrounds, like veganism, Christianity, Communism, fashion design, Italian-American heritage, etc., influence a person's world view, and for some people, their worldview is greatly encompassed by that concept. Just as someone who subscribes to CRT may look at everything through the lens of power and race, that's no different from a Christian or fashion designer who relates everything to their religion or interest. When the writer of the article says that CRT goes overboard by trying to classify everything, there's no reason that can't apply to veganism or Italian-American heritage. Seeing relevancy that isn't there is more dependent upon how an individual acts than a deficiency in the philosophy.
                      You should watch that video I posted. If a single view is being pushed into all education processes with an anti-Christian bent, we have some de-programming that needs to be done. You have to look at what the current prorgramming has done. Look at the videos documenting Evergreen. Is this what we call "normal"?

                      I would be happy to return to the days when different cultures could intermingle while having their different perspectives. I remember when debates between Republican and Democrat voters would still end in a pats on the back and shaking of hands instead of fist fights.
                      Last edited by mikewhitney; 09-08-2020, 03:17 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        You should watch that video I posted. If a single view is being pushed into all education processes with an anti-Christian bent, we have some de-programming that needs to be done. You have to look at what the current prorgramming has done. Look at the videos documenting Evergreen. Is this what we call "normal"?
                        The Evergreen thing is telling...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                          You should watch that video I posted. If a single view is being pushed into all education processes with an anti-Christian bent, we have some de-programming that needs to be done. You have to look at what the current prorgramming has done. Look at the videos documenting Evergreen. Is this what we call "normal"?

                          I would be happy to return to the days when different cultures could intermingle while having their different perspectives. I remember when debates between Republican and Democrat voters would still end in a pats on the back and shaking of hands instead of fist fights.
                          What view is being pushed into all education with an anti-Christian bent?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                            What view is being pushed into all education with an anti-Christian bent?
                            Oops. I think you missed the earlier posts in this thread. I'll give you some time to catch up on the discussion.

                            I have not been exposed directly to the practices in schools today. However there are indications that across the European countries and colonies, as well as much of American schools, that kids are taught that the previous generations (including their parents) of whites have been part of systematic prejudices against minorities. The impression I have is that the children have been taught that their parents are ignorant of the bias but are still wrong. I just heard this attitude by a woman of her child. The children are taught what to think rather than how to logically figure things out.

                            Oh right. I forgot about the news and tv shows. I'm more familiar with the older sitcoms which always showed the husband as being an incompetent buffoon. The whole global warming doctrine is that the previous generations messed up the world and now it is up to the youth to overturn these evils.
                            Last edited by mikewhitney; 09-09-2020, 12:49 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                              How would you propose deconstruction be translated to the language/imagery of unity?
                              The method of deconstruction cannot translate to unity precisely because the purpose of deconstruction is to "break into pieces"/de-construct in order to analyze.

                              Any vision of a just society based on Unity must first begin with an affirmation of equality---that all of humanity is one family...as such all are brothers. For Muslims, the concept of One God leads to the construction of the ethical principle that all humanity is of equivalent value---none superior/inferior to the other. For those who do not have One God as part of their ethical construction...other ideas might be substituted? Science affirms that human genetics favors the idea that humanity is closely related and this might be used to as a starting point of the idea of humanity as a family....?....thus leading to the principle that all human beings have certain basic (and perhaps inviolable?) rights and responsibilities

                              I do not propose that Unity = same. Instead a diversity of solutions would best fit human diversity. Therefore the construction of rights and responsibilities may differ---but if the starting point is that all humanity is equal (including the rights of children) and deserving of unearned basic rights simply because they are human beings, it may be possible to see more clearly how one needs to build (construct) systemic ethical justice....?.....

                              It is not enough to have an understanding of Justice/rights and responsibilities but also a clear understanding of Oppression/ lack of, or infringement of rights and systemic irresponsibility/lack of accountability.....

                              Unity does not mean same---lack of equality is built into our human ecosystem (life on earth). To force human beings into a shallow constructed equality (Communism) is not an ideal solution because to force (against ones will) = oppression. What we need is a society constructed on "negotiated freedom" under the principle that all humanity deserve basic (unearned) rights upon which degrees of freedom and responsibility can be negotiated.

                              Such a construction avoids the binary vision of us/them because the starting point is that of Equality (Equivalent value).....?...
                              Without an "other" to struggle against, wider systems of oppression might be seen and acknowledged more clearly? for example---It is said that Western (white) suffragettes were interested in getting the voting rights for themselves but were not interested in the voting rights of non-whites both men and women.
                              https://www.vox.com/2020/8/18/213589...-suffrage-vote
                              and...

                              The origins of the women's suffrage movement are tied to the Abolitionist movement. Upper-class white women in particular first articulated their own oppression in marriage and the private sphere using the metaphor of slavery, and they first developed a political consciousness by mobilizing in support of abolitionism. Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and Maria Weston Chapman were among the early female abolitionists. The Abolitionist cause provided women who were previously bound to their roles as wives and mothers the opportunity to publicly challenge sexism and learn how to politically engage as activists, though the African American women's suffrage movement was a different vein of women's suffrage, and one could even argue a different movement altogether. Abolitionists who headed the Equal Rights Association like Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony had a primarily white agenda. After the Civil War it became clear that black and white women had different views of why the right to vote was essential. Unlike white suffragists, Black women sought the ballot for themselves and their men to empower black communities besieged by the reign of racial terror that erupted after Emancipation in the late 1800s.
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...frage_movement

                              Can any culture based on foundations of supremacy/inferiority ever come up with wholistic systems of ethical justice and equality without dismantling that system first?

                              what are your thoughts?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                                I have not been exposed directly to the practices in schools today.
                                Cool, a person who hasn't gone to school is gonna tell the people who have gone to school about what happens in schools.

                                My earlier post applies:
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                When I was growing up, "postmodernism" was the in thing to whine about in Christian circles. After many years I realized not a single one of the people whining about it, who were giving sermons and seminars against it, actually had any sort of decently accurate grasp of what it was. Instead they had constructed a boogeyman between them, and their sources of information were each other, and the Christians giving each other talks about postmodernism had constructed a version that no actual postmodernist would at all recognize. When I got to university and did some study on postmodernism there was almost completely zero relationship with all the ideas about postmodernism I had learned from years of hearing about it as a Christian.

                                I've seen that sort of pattern play out over and over again on other issues, where the version of it that political and religious zealots create between them has nothing to do with the ideas that they are supposedly critiquing.
                                As to your claim:
                                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                                However there are indications that across the European countries and colonies, as well as much of American schools, that kids are taught that the previous generations (including their parents) of whites have been part of systematic prejudices against minorities. The impression I have is that the children have been taught that their parents are ignorant of the bias but are still wrong.
                                That did not in any way occur during my schooling in a European colony.
                                he "decided not to hurt anybody because he did not have the means to kill enough people", Crown prosecutor Chris Lange told the Court.

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