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  • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Read the reference again it reflects the real history., and not your white wash of the South. Pushed it through without the support of the South.

    As noted in the reference Strong Thurmond's boycote of the Civil rights legislation and run for the president.

    Source: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-filibuster-that-almost-killed-the-civil-rights-act/



    The filibuster that almost killed the Civil Rights Act
    April 11, 2016 by NCC Staff


    On this day in 1964, the Senate was involved in an epic fight over the Civil Right Act, after a group of Southern senators started a record-setting filibuster in March.

    Civil_Rights_Act,_July_2,_1964The Act was signed by President Lyndon Baines Johnson on July 2, 1964, but not before a lengthy, protracted fight in Washington. In fact, no full-featured Civil Rights Act proposal had ever survived a filibuster attempt on the Senate floor. Under the old Senate rules, two-thirds of the Senate would need to vote for cloture, or limiting debate time on the floor. (Today, the cloture barrier stands at 60 votes.)

    The Act had been approved by the House of Representatives in February 1964, and Senate majority leader Mike Mansfield made the unusual move of bypassing the Judiciary Committee (which was chaired by an anti-bill Senator) and placing the Act directly on the Senate’s main calendar.

    But when Mansfield made the first motion about the bill in the Senate, the well-organized filibuster attempt started. And had it been successful, the Civil Rights Act would have been finished for that Senate session.

    A year earlier, President John F. Kennedy told a nationwide audience that the Act was a necessity. A prior bill, the Civil Rights Act of 1957, was important but it had a limited impact and it was difficult to enforce. It also had survived a 24-hour filibuster from Senator Strom Thurmond.

    As Senate Majority Leader, Lyndon Johnson has been involved heavily in the fight for the Civil Rights Act of 1957, and as President, he was committed to honoring his own values and Kennedy’s legacy in the fight for the much-more comprehensive 1964 act.

    Committed to the filibuster effort were the powerful Senators Richard Russell, Thurmond, Robert Byrd, William Fulbright and Sam Ervin. Russell started the filibuster in late March 1964, and it would last for 60 working days in the Senate.

    Behind the scenes, two opposing leaders were working to find a way to get 67 votes: the Democratic Senate whip, Hubert Humphrey and the Senate Minority Leader, Everett Dirksen of Illinois.

    At first, Dirksen opposed the House version of the bill because of certain passages, even though he was a long-time civil rights supporter. Humphrey, a Democrat, worked together with his Republican colleague to make the bill more acceptable to Republicans, while not weakening its powers.

    On June 10, 1964, Dirksen made a powerful speech that served to bring more Republicans onto his side in the fight.

    Dirksen made his case and then quoted the author Victor Hugo: “Stronger than all the armies is an idea whose time has come.” The Senator then reminded his colleagues that the Republican Party stood for equality since its founding in the years before the Civil War.

    That same day, the Humphrey-Dirksen group got 71 votes to end the filibuster, four more than needed, as 27 Republicans had decided to support the Act.

    During the vote, the terminally ill Senator from California, Clair Engle, was brought to the floor in a wheelchair. Unable to speak because of a brain tumor, Engle pointed to his eye to signify his Yes vote.

    President Johnson signed the bill on July 2 in a nationally televised ceremony.

    The new law prohibited discrimination in public places. It also provided for the integration of schools and other public facilities, and it made employment discrimination illegal.

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    It was of course the Democrats that led the record Senate filibuster in opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well-known liberal Democrat standard-bearers including Robert Byrd (Senate Majority Leader, President pro tempore of the Senate[1] and former kleagle -- recruiter -- for the KKK who was still publicly using the n-word on national TV as late as 2001), J. William Fulbright (Arkansas Senator and mentor of Bill Clinton), Al Gore Sr. (Tennessee Senator and father of Al Gore Jr. who has been known to lie about his father’s vote[2]), Sam Ervin (North Carolina Senator of the Watergate hearings fame) and Richard Russell (Georgia Senator and another President pro tempore). A total of 21 Democrat Senators opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The party was torn in half over the issue, with a full 40% of House Democrats voting against it.

    OTOH, the Republicans backed the Civil Rights legislation. For example, 82% of Republicans in the Senate and 79% in the House voted for the Civil Rights Act. Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of the Republicans in the House, and by 94% of Senate Republicans!

    Concerning the Voting Rights Act the same Democrat standard-bearers took their normal racist stands, this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort. It took the hard work of Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Dirksen was also responsible for breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower. The fact is that if it weren’t for the Republican’s overwhelming support, all of these measures would have been defeated.

    In fact, FWIU, of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960’s civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes (whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes).


    Btw, LBJ vehemently opposed any and all civil rights legislation when he was in the Senate. He even fought against anti-lynching legislation. But eventually he had a sort of epiphany. He realized that he could exploit the situation. As he infamously boasted to two governors on Air Force One after signing the CRA, "I'll have those [n-word] voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

    The fact is that LBJ only saw civil rights legislation as a tool to be exploited in order to get blacks onto the Democratic plantation. This attitude again be seen in his nomination of Thurgood Marshall to the SCOTUS. So while he was being praised by liberals for his appointment of Marshall, behind closed doors LBJ’s cynical brand of "identity politics" became crystal clear. According to presidential historian Robert Dallek, while talking to a staff member (someone he didn't need support from) who wondered why he had nominated Marshall to the Supreme Court rather than a black judge less identified with the civil rights cause, Johnson explained, "Son, when I appoint a [n-word] to the court, I want everyone to know he's a [n-word]."

    LBJ was easily the most racist president we had since Woodrow Wilson











    1. Third in the line of succession to the presidency behind the Vice President and Speaker of the House

    2. In a speech on civil rights Al Gore claimed that,

    "My commitment to civil rights is a deeply personal one. I watched my father when he was, a U.S. Senator from Tennessee, take courageous stands for civil rights. He opposed the poll tax in the ‘40s, and supported civil rights in the ‘50s, he supported voting rights in 1963, and was one of two Southern Senators to refuse to sign the hateful Southern Manifesto opposing integration in our schools. He lost his Senate seat because his [sic] stands.”


    Apparently, Al Gore’s memory is a bit fuzzy. His father’s civil rights record is a tad less glorious than Al relates. Al Gore Sr. voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Al Gore Sr. participated in a 74-day filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation. Al Gore Sr. proposed an amendment to the Civil Rights Act that would have kept federal funds flowing to schools that defied court desegregation orders. The measure was defeated by a vote of 74 to 25 with only one Republican voted for it.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • Oh, come on, rogue, surely know by now that party labels have flipped in the last 40-years, and yesterday's Democrats are today's Republicans.

      (At least that's what liberals like to claim. )
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Oh, come on, rogue, surely know by now that party labels have flipped in the last 40-years, and yesterday's Democrats are today's Republicans.

        (At least that's what liberals like to claim. )
        The reality of the situation is that, at least as far as the South goes, it was the children and mostly grandchildren of Democrats from the 60s who became Republican. Republicans only started making significant inroads down here, politically speaking, decades after the passage of the CRA and VRA.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          <snipe>
          Very wordy unnecessary post the facts remain concerning the South. What you refer to is the country as whole eventually passed the Civil Rights and voting rights. The reality of the South in history is another terrible story.

          In your view Napolean won the Battle of Waterloo. Your trying to rewrite the real history. The South most definitely went Republican in response to the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Laws, and the shift integration.

          You apparently are a true believer, and save your Confederate money and flags.

          Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats#:~:text=Subsequent%20to%20the%20passage%20of,Party%20due%20to%20racial%20conservatism.




          Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the Southern United States.

          In the 19th century, Southern Democrats were whites in the South who believed in Jacksonian democracy. In the 1850s they defended slavery in the United States, and promoted its expansion into the West against northern Free Soil opposition. The United States presidential election of 1860 formalized the split in the Democratic Party and brought about the American Civil War. Stephen Douglas was the candidate for the Northern Democratic Party, and John C. Breckinridge represented the Southern Democratic Party, Abraham Lincoln, who opposed slavery was the Republican Party candidate. [1] After Reconstruction ended in the late 1870s so-called redeemers controlled all the Southern states and disenfranchised blacks (who were Republicans). The "Solid South" gave nearly all its electoral votes to Democrats in presidential elections. Republicans seldom were elected to office outside some Appalachian mountain districts and a few heavily German-American counties of Texas.

          The monopoly that the Democratic Party held over most of the South first showed major signs of breaking apart in 1948, when many white Southern Democrats, upset by the policies of desegregation enacted during the administration of Democratic President Harry Truman, created the States Rights Democratic Party, which nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond for President. The "Dixiecrats" won most of the deep South (where Truman was not on the ballot). The new party collapsed after the election, while Thurmond became a Republican in the 1960s. Following the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, which were signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson, although a southern Democrat himself, led to heavy opposition from both Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. Subsequent to the passage of civil rights legislation, many white southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level. Many scholars argue that Southern whites shifted to the Republican Party due to racial conservatism.[2][3][4] Many continued to vote for Democrats at the state and local levels, especially before the Republican Revolution of 1994. In 2000–10, Republicans gained a solid advantage over Democrats at all levels of politics in most Southern states.

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          It is a fact that the Denocratic South became Republican in this period as what was before Democratic called Dixiecrates.
          Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-15-2020, 06:48 PM.
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            Very wordy unnecessary post the facts remain concerning the South. What you refer to is the country as whole eventually passed the Civil Rights and voting rights. The reality of the South in history is another terrible story.

            In your view Napolean won the Battle of Waterloo. Your trying to rewrite the real history. The South most definitely went Republican in response to the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Laws, and the shift integration.

            You apparently are a true believer, and save your Confederate money and flags.

            Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats#:~:text=Subsequent%20to%20the%20passage%20of,Party%20due%20to%20racial%20conservatism.




            Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the Southern United States.

            In the 19th century, Southern Democrats were whites in the South who believed in Jacksonian democracy. In the 1850s they defended slavery in the United States, and promoted its expansion into the West against northern Free Soil opposition. The United States presidential election of 1860 formalized the split in the Democratic Party and brought about the American Civil War. Stephen Douglas was the candidate for the Northern Democratic Party, and John C. Breckinridge represented the Southern Democratic Party, Abraham Lincoln, who opposed slavery was the Republican Party candidate. [1] After Reconstruction ended in the late 1870s so-called redeemers controlled all the Southern states and disenfranchised blacks (who were Republicans). The "Solid South" gave nearly all its electoral votes to Democrats in presidential elections. Republicans seldom were elected to office outside some Appalachian mountain districts and a few heavily German-American counties of Texas.

            The monopoly that the Democratic Party held over most of the South first showed major signs of breaking apart in 1948, when many white Southern Democrats, upset by the policies of desegregation enacted during the administration of Democratic President Harry Truman, created the States Rights Democratic Party, which nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond for President. The "Dixiecrats" won most of the deep South (where Truman was not on the ballot). The new party collapsed after the election, while Thurmond became a Republican in the 1960s. Following the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, which were signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson, although a southern Democrat himself, led to heavy opposition from both Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. Subsequent to the passage of civil rights legislation, many white southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level. Many scholars argue that Southern whites shifted to the Republican Party due to racial conservatism.[2][3][4] Many continued to vote for Democrats at the state and local levels, especially before the Republican Revolution of 1994. In 2000–10, Republicans gained a solid advantage over Democrats at all levels of politics in most Southern states.

            © Copyright Original Source



            It is a fact that the Denocratic South became Republican in this period as what was before Democratic called Dixiecrates.
            The Dixiecrats, with very few exceptions, went back to the Democrat Party and remained there for the rest of their lives. Just like George Wallace did. Just like all the leaders of the filibusters against the CRA and VRA.

            None of this is disputable.

            Similarly, it wasn't until decades later, when new generations arose and many from that generation were dying off, that the South started turning Republican.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              The Dixiecrats, with very few exceptions, went back to the Democrat Party and remained there for the rest of their lives. Just like George Wallace did. Just like all the leaders of the filibusters against the CRA and VRA.

              None of this is disputable.

              Similarly, it wasn't until decades later, when new generations arose and many from that generation were dying off, that the South started turning Republican.
              It is very diputable you bias is trying to rewrite history. My references stand as the history of Southern Democrates became Republicans. You have not responded to the facts.

              Fact the South was Democratic, and now it is Republican, though some black Democrates are being elected in the South changing the trend.
              Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-16-2020, 07:04 AM.
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Oh, come on, rogue, surely know by now that party labels have flipped in the last 40-years, and yesterday's Democrats are today's Republicans.

                (At least that's what liberals like to claim. )
                Historically and factually true, regardless of what anyone claims.
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Coming from someone who has claimed that Dixiecrats were Republicans
                  Yes some Dixicrates became Republican, the evidence of White voter registration between 1960 and 1970 is clear evidence that the South factually was Democratic in 1960, and by 1970 it was Republican.

                  If the South went Republican as a result of legislation passed in the early to mid 60s then why did it take a couple of decades before that change started taking place? What were the racists waiting for?

                  [quote] Further, that civil rights legislation would have never passed without overwhelming support by Republicans in both the House in Senate. [The support was from Western and Northern members of both parties.


                  There is after all a reason that the NAACP presented Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen a civil rights accomplishment award in recognition of his yeoman service in getting the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts passed. So why in the world would racists defect en masse from the Democrats -- many of whom led the resistance to passing civil rights legislation -- and join the party responsible for pushing it through?
                  Not whites from the South. Everett Dirkson is from Illinois.
                  Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                  Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                  But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                  go with the flow the river knows . . .

                  Frank

                  I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                  Comment

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