Nadler: Antifa violence is a myth

[JimL]

Hint: It's the title of the thread, JimL

The spin in the title of the OP is yours Sparko. Nadler was answering specifically to the charge of Antifa violence in Portland.

[Cow Poke]

The stormtroopers were sent to Portland on July 4th, and I don't recall any attacks on the federal courthouse prior to that. Perhaps you have evidence to the contrary. At any rate, there is no doubt that the violence has excalated, not subsided, since the stormtroopers arrived, and that is all in accord with the authoritarians plan.

The MSM didn't give a flyin' flip about covering the chaos until the federal officers showed up.

If you're claiming that federal troops showed up on July 4th, this is AFTER violence was already occurring, and early that morning (4 AM, and the night before) the protesters were launching commercial grade fireworks, and had already been committing arson.

Source is Portland Channel 6 (KOIN) - there had already been 3 weeks of riot prior to that.

PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — For the 3rd time this week, a riot was declared in downtown Portland when the Hatfield Federal Courthouse was attacked around 4 a.m. on the 4th of July.

The area around the Federal Courthouse remained an active situation for a time, authorities said. But by 6 a.m., the area seemed much more calm with a group of about 15 people dancing.

The incidents began when some demonstrators launched commercial grade fireworks from the spot where the Elk Statue was (until it was removed earlier this week after damage from protester-set fires.) Then around 11 p.m. Friday demonstrators from the Justice Center marched to Waterfront Park, then back again 45 minutes later to the area of SW 3rd and Salmon and Madison, police said.

Shortly before 1 a.m., protesters began throwing rocks at the Federal Courthouse and then firing commercial grade fireworks toward the Justice Center, police said. Some people dragged material and barricades and began to make a fence in the area of SW 3rd and Main, authorities said.

Portland police “stayed away from the demonstrators, as there was not an identified life safety risk,” officials said in a release. They said no tear gas was used....

Not that the "Friday" referenced above would be the day before you claim federal officers arrived.

[Cow Poke]

The spin in the title of the OP is yours Sparko. Nadler was answering specifically to the charge of Antifa violence in Portland.

You mean where Nadlier flat out lied and claimed it was only "mothers and veterans and mayors?”

“The president wants footage for his campaign ads, and you appear to be serving it up to him as ordered,” Nadler charged. “In most of these cities, the protests had begun to wind down before you marched in and confronted the protesters, and the protesters aren’t mobs. They are mothers and veterans and mayors.”

[Watermelon]

The MSM didn't give a flyin' flip about covering the chaos until the federal officers showed up.

If you're claiming that federal troops showed up on July 4th, this is AFTER violence was already occurring, and early that morning (4 AM, and the night before) the protesters were launching commercial grade fireworks, and had already been committing arson.

Source is Portland Channel 6 (KOIN) - there had already been 3 weeks of riot prior to that.

PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — For the 3rd time this week, a riot was declared in downtown Portland when the Hatfield Federal Courthouse was attacked around 4 a.m. on the 4th of July.

The area around the Federal Courthouse remained an active situation for a time, authorities said. But by 6 a.m., the area seemed much more calm with a group of about 15 people dancing.

The incidents began when some demonstrators launched commercial grade fireworks from the spot where the Elk Statue was (until it was removed earlier this week after damage from protester-set fires.) Then around 11 p.m. Friday demonstrators from the Justice Center marched to Waterfront Park, then back again 45 minutes later to the area of SW 3rd and Salmon and Madison, police said.

Shortly before 1 a.m., protesters began throwing rocks at the Federal Courthouse and then firing commercial grade fireworks toward the Justice Center, police said. Some people dragged material and barricades and began to make a fence in the area of SW 3rd and Main, authorities said.

Portland police “stayed away from the demonstrators, as there was not an identified life safety risk,” officials said in a release. They said no tear gas was used....

Not that the "Friday" referenced above would be the day before you claim federal officers arrived.

So they threw some rocks and launched some fireworks then calmed themselves down without police intervention and ended with around 15 people dancing in the street. Sounds horrific, I’m surprised the courthouse is still standing.

[seanD]

The vast, vast, vast majority of the BLM protests taking place across the US appear to be peaceful. That is great.

There have been a few instances of violence, and we seem to keep finding out that this is being carried out by white supremacists who have snuck in to try and foment violence. Unfortunately there is a long history of this in the US where right-wing groups try to subvert peaceful leftist protest (Cointelpro etc). Obviously violence is bad and we condemn it when it occurs and condemn those doing it, just as with any other crimes. Obviously it's a side issue and doesn't take away from the main issues which are around the police use of violence, lack of police disciplinary measures and accountability, the humane treatment of suspects in custody, and racial issues around policing.

But what's not helping is that Trump and Barr are lying to the American public, and unfortunately the gullible like CP are believing them, that the protesters are all a bunch of "violent anarchists" etc, which obviously couldn't be further from the truth. It's kinda sad how naive people are in believing that, even people who would otherwise agree that nothing much Trump says can be trusted.

Antifa is indeed the white supremacists, so you would definitely be correct with you're assessment of the BLM protests/riots. And cointelpro is the government itself infiltrating domestic groups, not right wing groups infiltrating leftwing groups lol. You're US history is laughable.

[Cow Poke]

So they threw some rocks and launched some fireworks then calmed themselves down without police intervention and ended with around 15 people dancing in the street. Sounds horrific, I’m surprised the courthouse is still standing.

I think you missed the part where they had 3 riots already that prior week.

[Cow Poke]

So they threw some rocks and launched some fireworks....

...and Abe Lincoln had a little mishap at the theater. Or, HEY!!!! "

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[rogue06]

So they threw some rocks and launched some fireworks then calmed themselves down without police intervention and ended with around 15 people dancing in the street. Sounds horrific, I’m surprised the courthouse is still standing.

This is exactly the result of what I meant a few days back in reference to how the MSM's reporting gives an extremely inaccurate impression. When they are pushed into admitting that they are attacking police and such, nearly all of them mention anything more than throwing bottles and trash cans as well as shooting fireworks. That presents a rather innocuous, but false, picture.

Most folks today think of plastic bottles and bottle rockets or maybe Roman candles. In fact, the police report being peppered with "large rocks, full cans, and bottles" propelled by slingshots -- which can easily reach bone-breaking and lethal velocities. And the fireworks are "commercial grade fireworks and mortars" which are light leagues away from bottle rockets and the like.

[JimL]

The MSM didn't give a flyin' flip about covering the chaos until the federal officers showed up.

If you're claiming that federal troops showed up on July 4th, this is AFTER violence was already occurring, and early that morning (4 AM, and the night before) the protesters were launching commercial grade fireworks, and had already been committing arson.

Source is Portland Channel 6 (KOIN) - there had already been 3 weeks of riot prior to that.

PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — For the 3rd time this week, a riot was declared in downtown Portland when the Hatfield Federal Courthouse was attacked around 4 a.m. on the 4th of July.

The area around the Federal Courthouse remained an active situation for a time, authorities said. But by 6 a.m., the area seemed much more calm with a group of about 15 people dancing.

The incidents began when some demonstrators launched commercial grade fireworks from the spot where the Elk Statue was (until it was removed earlier this week after damage from protester-set fires.) Then around 11 p.m. Friday demonstrators from the Justice Center marched to Waterfront Park, then back again 45 minutes later to the area of SW 3rd and Salmon and Madison, police said.

Shortly before 1 a.m., protesters began throwing rocks at the Federal Courthouse and then firing commercial grade fireworks toward the Justice Center, police said. Some people dragged material and barricades and began to make a fence in the area of SW 3rd and Main, authorities said.

Portland police “stayed away from the demonstrators, as there was not an identified life safety risk,” officials said in a release. They said no tear gas was used....

Not that the "Friday" referenced above would be the day before you claim federal officers arrived.

And the police stayed away "as there was not an identified life safety risk." Federal troops hardly seemed necessary.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

We were pretty much at war with the British Empire, are you saying that BLM is at war with the US Government?

Until Cornwallis surrendered in 1783 you were subjects of the British. You were rebellious subjects but until that moment you were still subjects. And do not forget to thank the French for their assistance.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

And those Americans who fought the British Empire for independence were quite aware and accepted that if they were caught by the British that a quick death was the best they could hope for. They didn't whine and cry when this happened like the antifa thugs blubber when they get arrested and are typically released without charges by local officials.

You might do well to read up on the atrocities committed during the American Revolutionary War - on both sides.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Trying to burn an infant alive in a building while blocking the fire and police departments from rescuing the child isn't heinous enough for you?

Were the tarring and feathering, the beatings, and at least one attempt to burn an individual alive, not to mention the widespread vandalism and violent intimidation any less heinous?

[Cow Poke]

And the police stayed away "as there was not an identified life safety risk."

Yes, genius, the buildings don't have flesh and blood and breathe air.

Federal troops hardly seemed necessary.

A) We're making progress -- we got you to calm down and back off your nutty "stormtroopers" nonsense.
2) You are not qualified to make that determination.
C) As to your dopey claim that "I don't recall any attacks on the federal courthouse prior to that", you are hereby informed.

[Cow Poke]

...And do not forget to thank the French for their assistance.

[Cow Poke]

More from the article I cited, for which I may have failed to include a link (but nobody asked )


Riot declared as Federal Courthouse attacked in Portland

The calls to action by the “thousands of non-violent demonstrators” have been heard and, he noted, the City Council “has begun the difficult, necessary work of dismantling institutional racism.”

But he said he’s deeply concerned “groups who continue to perpetrate violence and vandalism on our streets.”

“Groups continue to target the Justice Center, threatening the safety of hundreds of inmates and employees inside. They continue to hurt small businesses owned by people of color, instill fear in communities of color, and start fires in buildings with people inside, in one specific case, even bolting emergency doors so that they could not escape.

“These attacks undermine public safety in our community, and they harm the very people and businesses we need to be lifting up.”

Wheeler said he is “keenly aware of concerns about police actions related to demonstration activity,” and wants “a full and thorough review of all use of force tactics and meaningful public transparency.”

But he also asked “for the public’s support in calling for an end to the nightly violence. Join us in our call for peace. Lives are at stake.”

Note that's not some right winger talking, it's the idiot mayor who showed up to show solidarity with the nice 'peaceful protesters', and he was shouted down and run off by them.

ETA: Hey, I have a wonderful idea!!! Let's send JimL to Portland to have a nice little sit-down with these peaceful protesters!!!