How do you attempt to rationalise with the completely irrational?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

That is pretty much Christian theology as you know.

Your opinion is "pretty much Christian theology"? Really? You hold yourself in rather high regard.

[seer]

Am I to infer that in answer to the question "Am I to understand you are claiming a fern floated freely? " Your answer is "yes"?

And in response to the question "Was someone performing legerdemain?" your answer is "no"?

If that is the case are you suggesting you observed some supernatural/miraculous event?

I wrote this about 20 minutes after the event, I see no natural explanation.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...highlight=fern

[seer]

Your opinion is "pretty much Christian theology"? Really? You hold yourself in rather high regard.

Right and you don't?

[whag]

No, I just don't like you and you are up to no good as usual...

Do it for the benefit of those you like.

[seer]

Do it for the benefit of those you like.

They can PM me.

[whag]

They can PM me.

Hypatia, can you PM seer and ask him what about Christianity he specifically doubted?

[seer]

Hypatia, can you PM seer and ask him what about Christianity he specifically doubted?

No, I will only relate it to Christians. Unbelievers have no part in this. Like I said you are only looking for trouble and you are dishonest.

[oxmixmudd]

Yes but how many have hallucinations concerning [allegedly] floating ferns?

I doubt it was a hallucination. I was just an event that had meaning to him. Whether it has a physical explanation is in many ways irrelevant - it was still a moment in his life where God caused events to occur in such a way as it spoke to him of God's love and compassion to him.

[whag]

I doubt it was a hallucination. I was just an event that had meaning to him. Whether it has a physical explanation is in many ways irrelevant - it was still a moment in his life where God caused events to occur in such a way as it spoke to him of God's love and compassion to him.

I appreciate your defense of seer, since you have had combative exchanges with him in the past and he probably doubts the authenticity of your Christianity.

Meanwhile, some Christians like seer suggest it's unreasonable to ask for signs and proof rather than inner voices. Inner voices can be confused with anything ranging from regular Socratic daemon to schizophrenia. My sister currently believes her dead dog visits her from beyond the grave. It's meaningful to her and brings her comfort.

[whag]

No, I will only relate it to Christians. Unbelievers have no part in this. Like I said you are only looking for trouble and you are dishonest.

Um, you shared this faith-affirming encounter on a public forum while concurrently saying that resurrection apologetics enough evidence to secure belief. I see it's done wonders for your faith.

That you only "like" Christians says more about you than me.

[whag]

No, I will only relate it to Christians. Unbelievers have no part in this. Like I said you are only looking for trouble and you are dishonest.

Um, you shared this faith-affirming encounter on a public forum while concurrently saying that resurrection apologetics is enough evidence to secure belief. I see it's done wonders for your faith.

That you only "like" Christians says more about you than any of my posts say about me.

[seer]

Um, you shared this faith-affirming encounter on a public forum while concurrently saying that resurrection apologetics enough evidence to secure belief. I see it's done wonders for your faith.

That you only "like" Christians says more about you than me.

Did I say I only like Christians? See this is how dishonest you are.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I wrote this about 20 minutes after the event, I see no natural explanation.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...highlight=fern

Thank you. However, I suggest you apply Occam's razor.

In all probability you experienced something like a dust-devil - a mini vortex. The piece of plant material was quite small - 15-18 cm - and light. The other option is you hallucinated the entire incident. Hallucinations can appear very real and people often claim they were "wide awake" when they experienced them.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Hypatia, can you PM seer and ask him what about Christianity he specifically doubted?

Thank you but [a] I would not presume and [b] I do not have slightest interest.

[whag]

Thank you. However, I suggest you apply Occam's razor.

seer doesn't shave.