Remeber when Trump said that George Washington Statues were next?

[Darth Ovious]

Well here you go

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protest...ington-statue/

Some wrapped the statue's head in an American flag and lit the flag on fire.

Their numbers grew over the next hour until there were enough people to pull it down. They quickly scattered.

A KOIN news crew found the statue face down and covered in graffiti.

Civil War^TM keeps escalating.

[Ronson]

I'm not a fan of statues in the first place so I don't feel the need to weep about it. It's just vandalism.

Having said this, Washington was an amazing man, and I'd trade every one of these protesters for one Washington.

[KingsGambit]

I'm not a fan of statues in the first place so I don't feel the need to weep about it. It's just vandalism.

I'm not either. As I've said before, I think they are a form of idolatry.

[Starlight]

I'm not a fan of statues in the first place

Indeed. I struggle to think of anything in life I care less about than pointless statutes of long-dead people. I can't think of a single time in my life I've actually seen anyone genuinely look at any statue whatsoever in any sort of interested way. They seem to be pigeon-stands.

[oxmixmudd]

Indeed. I struggle to think of anything in life I care less about than pointless statutes of long-dead people. I can't think of a single time in my life I've actually seen anyone genuinely look at any statue whatsoever in any sort of interested way. They seem to be pigeon-stands.

What I see in a statue is the skill and craftsmanship of the artist creating it.

I'll say again there is no reason to go after great men in a culture that had evil in it because they did not necessarily take firm stands against every evil in it. That would condemn all of us. What we can do though is take a stand against those that did not take a stand against evil when it was in their power and conscience to do so. That is what separates Washington/Jefferson etc from Lee or Stonewall Jackson.

[seanD]

I'm not a fan of statues in the first place so I don't feel the need to weep about it. It's just vandalism.

Having said this, Washington was an amazing man, and I'd trade every one of these protesters for one Washington.

I'd say that too if it wasn't the ideological hysteria behind it. It's not just statues, it's literally scorning and erasing anything to do with American history, and it's being done by mindless and irrational mobs driven purely by ideological hysterics, and, if I may add, a 100% false narrative about a white racism epidemic against blacks.

[Starlight]

What I see in a statue is the skill and craftsmanship of the artist creating it.

Which can be used in other more interesting art. I've seen colorful statues of cows and giraffes that were a million times more interesting than any human statue.

I'll say again there is no reason to go after great men in a culture that had evil in it because they did not necessarily take firm stands against every evil in it.

Personally I agree, though I don't see a reason to care what anyone else thinks about historical people. If they want to condemn/praise a historical person based on their own reasoning, I don't care.

[Ronson]

I'm not either. As I've said before, I think they are a form of idolatry.

Statues of anyone (especially people of political power) creep me out. Tyrants love having statues made of themselves, and royalty. I know Jefferson would roll in his grave to know statues were made of him, and probably Washington too.

One that was really creepy was of Joe Paterno, running with his finger in the air and a line of football players behind him. It looked like something straight out of the Soviet Union. And then the Sandusky scandal hit, so they shoved the monstrosity into a warehouse somewhere. Good! No more nightmares.

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[Whateverman]

Well here you go

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protest...ington-statue/

Trump was talking about local governments and communities (aka. its owners) taking the statues down. This was just vandalism; not the thing Trump predicted.

Civil War^TM keeps escalating.

I remember not too long ago here, several conservatives accused liberals of fear-mongering. I was dismissed/ignored when I pointed out that this has been the #1 item in the conservative playbook for half a century (if not longer). Thanks for helping me demonstrate that simple fact.

[Whateverman]

Washington was an amazing man

I agree. His statue shouldn't have been vandalized or otherwise removed.

[Darth Ovious]

Trump was talking about local governments and communities (aka. its owners) taking the statues down. This was just vandalism; not the thing Trump predicted.


I remember not too long ago here, several conservatives accused liberals of fear-mongering. I was dismissed/ignored when I pointed out that this has been the #1 item in the conservative playbook for half a century (if not longer). Thanks for helping me demonstrate that simple fact.

Considering the capitulation to the mob in recent weeks I think you should have thought better than to make this statement.

Oh well, OK. This isn't about Washington I suppose but it is talking about the removal of Jefferson so not far off.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...-hall/2471910/

Amid renewed nationwide calls to do away with statues on public property that have connections to slavery or other atrocities, New York City Council has one more they believe needs to come down.
Speaker Corey Johnson, along with other members of the council including the co-chairs of the Black, Latino and Asian caucus, wrote a letter Thursday to Mayor Bill de Blasio demanding a Thomas Jefferson statue be removed from City Hall.

[Maranatha]

What I see in a statue is the skill and craftsmanship of the artist creating it.

I'll say again there is no reason to go after great men in a culture that had evil in it because they did not necessarily take firm stands against every evil in it. That would condemn all of us. What we can do though is take a stand against those that did not take a stand against evil when it was in their power and conscience to do so. That is what separates Washington/Jefferson etc from Lee or Stonewall Jackson.

I am not into art too much, but I appreciate others are, that's what makes life interesting.

It is interesting watching it play out. Whether it's just a few radicals or a broad Democrat movement. I personally don't know why any Confederate statue that celebrates the Confederacy even exists, nor why tearing down a Washington statue makes any sense. When you strike at the founding though, consider it illegitimate, where does that end? I can only hope few Democrats agree with the radicals.

[Whateverman]

Considering the capitulation to the mob in recent weeks I think you should have thought better than to make this statement.

Free market capitalism and representative democracy used to be things conservatives were proud of....

[Darth Ovious]

Free market capitalism and representative democracy used to be things conservatives were proud of....

Firstly, doesn't address the point originally being made. I was making a point about your statement in regards to conservative fear mongering. I was pointing out that making a statement like that just now when the slippery slope is a lot clearer and we are seeing violence in the streets shows that "fear mongering" isn't an accurate way to address conservative concerns.

I would disagree that the bolded part is representative democracy, more likely capitulating to the vocal (and now violent) minority. However your statement could be disagreed with in multiple ways. An American person might look at that and say that America is supposed to be a constitutional republic and not a democracy.

Also you are ignoring any flexibility on the "Free Market" and "representative democracy" beliefs. I don't know what tearing down public statues has to do with the "free market" and if you want to determine the removal of a statue through "representative democracy" then surely a vote would have taken place before the removal of the statue.

Also on top of that, so what? I am still allowed my opinion on it all. If I don't think it's right to do certain things then I don't think it's right to do those things. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ITS MY VOICE ALONE AGAINST THE MANY, I am still allowed my opinion on it all.

[JimL]

Well here you go

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protest...ington-statue/



Civil War^TM keeps escalating.

The monuments are not only about slavery but they are in idolization of men who betrayed their country in their fight for continuence of the practice. They were traitors. Why would we erect monuments in idolization of taitors?